Goa trance tutorial?

On 2011-07-15 17:22, Ethik Mantis wrote:

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On 2011-07-15 17:10, Pagan wrote: I've heard before that GOA typically uses natural instruments and percussion elements, where as psy is more artificial.

Wise. Whoever said that got it right.

On 2011-07-15 19:23, Colin OOOD wrote:

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On 2011-07-15 17:22, Ethik Mantis wrote: Quote: On 2011-07-15 17:10, Pagan wrote: I've heard before that GOA typically uses natural instruments and percussion elements, where as psy is more artificial. Wise. Whoever said that got it right.

Um... no, actually, that's completely wrong. Original Goa Trance very rarely used 'natural instruments and percussion elements'; the TR808/909 drum machines (or samples thereof) were the backbone of the style as they were, and still are, for all the offshoots of the old techno sound. As for production quality, the equipment available to each producer at the time determined the overall sound of their productions, and had today's technology been available back then I can promise you that old-school goa would have sounded as crisp and clean as the best productions do today.

What made that music stand out was the time it was written in, and the atmosphere of exploration and newness that the genre had, as well as the mindset of many of the people making it, which (in my experience of the time) tended towards the desire to help make a better world and assist in the evolution and redemption of the human spirit (to paraphrase McKenna). These influences had a lot to do with the atmosphere of intent and positivity which infused the best old-school goa, and which in my view are two of the main elements one needs to bear in mind of one wants to create new music with a similar atmosphere to Goa.

On 2011-07-15 22:44, wizanda wrote:
To write Goa, produce a phat full on psytrance bass to begin, then write a full melody in psychedelic scale and don't just stop at one phrase, yet gradually evolve it.

The reason fell in love with the music to begin as thought we had modern day classic composition; that a track was a landscape evolving continuously, with gradual incremental changes, to develop a perfect trance state like Mozart.

If we take one phrase of a Goa trance track and repeat it throughout, that is what much of the full on has become.

Also good Goa trance tunes, had dueling leads, that sent your mind on missions following either; with everything evolving.

On 2011-07-16 16:30, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
I haven't read all the posts here but all I have to say is that there is probably more music in one goa track than in an entire album of Night Full On.

Goa has long melody lines 32/64 bars of harmony while modern psytrance has shorter and more catchy patterns like 4/8 bars.

The more repeticion you add easier to remeber the track and more the track will pull you to dance and you can clearly listen to the difference between these 2 diferent styles, Goa makes your mind wonder while psy makes you want to dance.

Psytrance came from goa trance, they are one but at the same time they are separate because we labeled them that way to be easier to distinguish them that's all.