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Goa/psytrance kicks vs. hard trance kicks?
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lithium72
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Posted : May 24, 2005 05:28
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What is the diffrence between a goa/psytrace kick and a hard trance or general dance kick? I have tried the Infected Mushroom and Postunder tutorials but I'm sure if what I have made is close to what sounds right. Basically what makes a goa kick? |
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damage
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Posted : May 24, 2005 05:37
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well you can make the psy-trance kick the infected mushroom way (in soundforge) and it really is the best way(big up to infected for sharing this info), but you will have to do it quite a few times before you master it and come up with a killer kickdrum.
with hardtrance, hardstyle and hardhouse, there is a little more that goes into making a kickdrum. some very well controlled distortion and probably a 909 snare will be added to get that hammering kick sound. i would love to try this method in psy-trance some time, but if you make a kick like this, you can`t use the typical psy-basslines either. |
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lithium72
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Posted : May 24, 2005 07:38
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Goa kicks are not as dirty as hard trance kick so I guess I just need to make some simple non-distorted kicks. I've already made some kicks with stomper and other drumsynths. I guess I could just eq the dirt out of them. |
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EYB
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Posted : May 24, 2005 07:54
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Best is to make kicks with soundforge and use multiband compression and eqs for them. Try iZotope Ozone for them, and maybe some saturation with something like Discodsp Thrillme compressor.
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NikC
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Posted : May 24, 2005 12:44
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Personally.. I think one of the main distinguishing factors of a new school psytrance kick is the 'click' before the sub-punch.
When i create kickdrums (almost always in stomper) this is what I do:
Make a click (or import a click) and make it last between 10 and 25 milliseconds (do a pitch bend which sounds click like hehe) and then after that do another longer, deeper (lower) pitch bend starting from whenever the click finishes: "click-thump"
I then import this kick into soundforge and change the envelopes of the different parts -
Generally I tend to carefully fade in both the click and the thump... it becomes a more softer dense sounding kick then (similar to kicks like 1200 Mics, Absolum, Pop Stream etc.)
For me it works like a charm hehe 
Anyway... everyone has there own kick techniques (I tend to apply a few FX on the kick to spice it up abit hehe  )
Peace
P.S. a tip: Steal a kick from a track you like the sound of and analyse its shape then try to copy it hehe |
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damage
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Posted : May 24, 2005 12:45
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On 2005-05-24 07:38, lithium72 wrote:
Goa kicks are not as dirty as hard trance kick so I guess I just need to make some simple non-distorted kicks. I've already made some kicks with stomper and other drumsynths. I guess I could just eq the dirt out of them.
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yes i`ve tried distortion on psy kick and it doesn`t sound to bad if you do it right, but i only did it ones. it is 4sure best to keep it simple and clean. |
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NikC
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Posted : May 24, 2005 12:47
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On 2005-05-24 12:45, damage wrote:
It is 4sure best to keep it simple and clean.
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Hehe... jinx 
For sure though... keep the kick clean for a punchier sound (and IMO a deeper better sound) |
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