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Krell
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Posted : Apr 9, 2006 12:32
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@Dawn
First of all, I largely very much agree with you - I am targetting my words at what I think are more or less complex aspects of the whole matter.
While your version of things is easy to understand and comprehend, I think it is potentially somewhat inaccurate.
You might as well say that "goa" is "psychedelic trance" with worse production.
In fact, Goa is just a marketing brand and not a defined genre as such.
I will agree on, that you can put forth a genre tree which has "Psychedelic Trance" as the mother of all genres, and from that source you get "Goa".
However, my understanding of the development of the words was that "Goa Trance" came first and was around 1995/96 slowly being replaced with "Psychedelic Trance".
Also - The movement from one word to another came from within the scene, and not from the bigger record labels.
Simply because the description "Goa Trance" was not suitable for the music.
- The music did not come from india.
- The music had become an international phenomenon.
- Musicly and culturally it was more linked to psychedelics than the state of Goa in india.
Reasons like that prompted the change. I even remember it being debated, back then, on the 604 mailing list or in some other forum.
If you instead apply "my" genre tree what you will get is the following.
- Goa
(the first electronic music played at Goa Style parties, with analogue casette recorders and sounds layered on top of each other, nothing like what we know from cd releases).
---- Goa Trance
(the first trance inducing music played at goa style parties, still not musicly defined by anything but the repetitive trance inducing elements - First CD releases appear, the year is 1993 - No musical definition being present puts it on top of the genre definitions below - Of course, this is when the commercialization of "goa trance" begins, and thereby the need to categorize music commercially arises)
-------- Goa Psychedelic Trance
(Goa Trance with psychedelic twists and purposes; New sounds being released to the masses on CD, the year is 95/96 stuff like:
Koxbox - Forever After - 1995, Harthouse: http://www.discogs.com/release/932
Various - Abstract Phaze - 1996, Abstract Phaze: http://www.discogs.com/release/183452
-------- Goa Melodic/Israeli Trance
(Goa Trance with more melodicly uplifting elements, Astral Projection for instance)
-------- Goa Spiritual Trance
(Goa with deeper spiritual meaning and purposes)
-------- Goa Tribal Trance
(Goa with more tribal percussive elements, Elysium for instance)
This is in my eyes the status quo of 1995/96 - Then from there on we get the movement from the label "Goa" to "Psychedelic" slowly around 95-98 which basicly makes a shift in how we perceive the genre history.
Also, the focus is as of 1998 on change in the music - Since all the way through 96 and 97 the focus was on melodies and "cheese" (mainly the strong israeli influence on the music, where the commercialization was most pronounced, melodies sell easier to a new audience than psychedelic weirdness) - People are fed up with it, and musicly you could say the scene collapses on par with the Progressive Trance scene (Note, I mean real eurotrance lalala trance).
There is in my view a new genre tree as of 1998.
- Goa/Psychedelic Trance
(All of the old stuff, poor production & generally outdated: Also, the main genre name covering all after it.)
-------- Minimal Psytrance
(A new sound emerges in strength, released by leading labels such as Twisted Records & Dragonfly Records, you get Techno blended together with Goa/Psytrance; good examples are.
Spiralkinda - Blah / Gammamammut - 1998, Dragonfly Records: http://www.discogs.com/release/137093
Fools And Tools - Hundreds Of Sunsets - 1998, Twisted Records: http://www.discogs.com/release/75129
-------- Psytrance (just the word, because it covers all the music which people associate with "true psytrance", which is infact just all the old stuff still being produced and refined.
Now - This genre structure as of 1998 has focus on "old goa trance", "New minimal Psy" and "new psytrance stuff").
Here we get a split where
"goa trance" = Old
"Psy(chedelic) trance" = New
"Minimal Psy" = New; but not in the true spirit of GOA (Essentially, not in the true spirit of commercially established brand name Goa Trance, Goa Melodic/Israeli Trance).
Minimal Psy then goes on to becoming "Progressive & Psy Tech"
Psytrance then goes on to becoming "Full On & Dark Psy"
Dark Psy is, when you think about it nothing but a cross genre between Psychedelic Trance vs Psy Tech, while at least the softer full on is most of all a cross genre development of Progressive vs Full On.
Now I believe we agree dont we ? What I, in my kindest and most friendly manner object to is this though 
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On 2006-04-09 07:13, ----Dawn---- wrote:
I agree that a lot of people these days (especially those new to the scene buying very commercial... yet sometimes admittedly good... compilations by labels like YSE) seem to think Goa trance and psy trance are just different names for the same music - but they aren't!
Goa didn't just suddenly become psytrance - it always was psytrance and still is... and by the same token not all psytrance is Goa! Psy trance just means psychedelic trance the Goa style is just one of it's many sub-genres.
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Im not new to the scene, Ive been involved in DJing since 1995 and as a listener since before that. I started out analyzing the music as a part of a school project, and thereby gained a quick insight into what is what.
I dont disagree that the genre "fuckup" is due to commercial influences, but, my point is that the first genre naming of "our" music does not relate to the music as such, but the scene as a whole.
Its a matter of labelling the very diverse music for being sold to a consumer segment.
In essence, it has very little to do with the music itself, but a lot to do with market its intended for.
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You are right, it didnt just "suddenly" become psytrance - Its a matter of cause and effect. By 1997/98 the word "Goa" was like the word "Killah" is now - A word that, for some, would instill nausea. Goa is rotten, decadent and fake. Goa is old and commercial - All statements which weighed heavily for the people TRUELY involved in the TRUE scene, since those things were simply "bad" and betrayed "original scene values".
Therefore, these people changed the name - "Let all not call it Goa Trance no more, lets move towards a new name". It didnt require that much organized administration, since people of the same spirit easily work together unconsiously towards a goal of common interest.
However, this movement was not about the content of the music, but about the representation of it to the market & world.
The Goa Trance music was already moving in different directions, but it was not that musical evolution which influenced the genre change - Instead, it was more a matter of hippie spirit politics versus commercialization and political correctness.
In fact, Psychedelic Trance and Goa Trance ARE words for the same music, but as genres they relate not so much to the music as such, but more the Era within the scene when they were produced.
Therefore, I feel it is wrong to attribute definitions to "Goa Trance" such as "Melodic Buildups, Samples" and so forth when in actual fact the music itself was as diverse as anything is now.
Fact of the matter simply was, that there had been no commercial need for genre division at the time.
Why I feel so adament about this is that fact that I do not like it very much when I myself or others go around professing "This is the TRUE Goa Trance" or "This is the TRUE psychedelic trance" - Because, in essence, musicly, all of it is true.
Therefore, psychedelic trance is goa trance and goa trance is psychedelic trance - BUT - not all psytrance is goa trance is true ONLY because the brandname/label psychedelic trance wasnt broadly in use before 1995/96 and onwards.
I those regards, the differences we are talking about are production techniques, and not the musical content & spirit as such. Old school vs New school; But the classes stay the same.
So - Its a contest of words, and not musical content - BUT - what people make it into is a contest of musical content, and this is where a lot of artists and cultural heritage is left out of the loop. In effect painting a very GREY picture or the musical heritage of the scene.
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 19:26
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On 2006-04-09 12:32, Krell wrote:
While your version of things is easy to understand and comprehend, I think it is potentially somewhat inaccurate.
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Thanks, that's very nice of you to say so! I owe you one... but we’ll get to that later. 
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On 2006-04-09 12:32, Krell wrote:
You might as well say that "goa" is "psychedelic trance" with worse production.
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Huh? When did i say anything remotely like that?
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On 2006-04-09 12:32, Krell wrote:
In fact, Psychedelic Trance and Goa Trance ARE words for the same music
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Goa by definition is 'psychedelic trance' but for the third (and final) time, not all 'psychedelic trance' is Goa... in the same way that not all dance music is disco and not all piano music is jazz. I'm amazed that someone who says they have been on this scene for over 10 years doesn't seem to understand this.
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On 2006-04-09 12:32, Krell wrote:
The movement from one word to another came from within the scene, and not from the bigger record labels.
Simply because the description "Goa Trance" was not suitable for the music.
- The music did not come from india.
- The music had become an international phenomenon.
- Musicly and culturally it was more linked to psychedelics than the state of Goa in india.
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What the hell are you talking about? Labels like YSE plaster the word GOA all over their releases in big, bold fuck-off letters... regardless of the fact that most of the music contained within isn't 'Goa' at all. People know the word 'Goa'... the word 'Goa' sells... especially to people who think 'Goa' is cool yet don't actually know what it is. Hence the establishment of the misconception.
Anyway, man... you can analyse the shit out of this as much as you like but the fact remains...
Not all psychedelic music popularly defined as 'trance' is Goa... Goa has a specific sound.
I know what Goa sounds like... many others on this forum know what Goa sounds like... the fact that you want to perform some kind of etymological autopsy on the word doesn’t change that. To me it seems like you are just pulling in random stuff you have Googled from all other the place and to be brutally honest i don't think you really understand what you are talking about.
Look... maybe we should deal with this like men! Come on... outside... NOW!!!
Sorry, bro but you gave your honest opinion and i'm giving mine. Lets just call it a difference of opinion, eh?
I'm guessing you wont believe me when i say this... but no hard feelings. I just ditched half of this post because i thought it was getting too personal. I don't come here to insult folks for no good reason!
... Unless it’s funny of course. 
All the best.
Brad.
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 20:54
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you have said them almost all I think...
just want to add that goatic tunes are little more deep and liquid sounds,melodies are more into a style like cosmic clouds of stars around gallaxies in the space of the universe...sometimes the sounds became ritualistic with lot of spiritual atmosfaire...the difference is the year of the release I think...after 97,98 everything is psy ...before 97,98 the most of releases are goa...
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Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 22:42
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A big thing was the fact that most of the music was not made in Goa, and therefore the geographical meaning of the word "Goa" didnt seem right - it was neither descriptive of the music nor practical.
However - All of it was sold as "goa trance" and "psychedelic trance"....
There was no logic in the genre naming back then, the sound would change very often also - Not like now, where almost everything sounds the same, or is genre crossovers.
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I think that your geographic qualms are not entirely right. Almost all of the original artists travelled to Goa seasonally, and would return to their homelands to produce music that captured the spirit or essence of the Goa experience. It may have been made in Europe, Japan, and Australia, but the soul of the sound was firmly that of the Indian beaches and coastal valleys.
I also feel that the naming conventions and declaration of genre limits have less to do with what the music was sold or marketed as, and more to do with how listeners have referred to and thought of the music through the years. The boundaries of a genre are defined by group consensus more than they are by individual writers or analysts, after all... although you should realize the implication of that statement posting on a forum or writing a publication enables you to reach people and possibly change or influence their opinions and outlook...
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 22:54
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The boundaries of a genre are defined by group consensus more than they are by individual writers or analysts
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Couldn't have put it better, mate! 
I know what Goa is... and i don't need to read a spurious technical essay to know it when i hear it.
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Krell
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 00:12
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
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On 2006-04-09 12:32, Krell wrote:
You might as well say that "goa" is "psychedelic trance" with worse production.
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Huh? When did i say anything remotely like that?
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I didnt quote you in any way - I said "You might as well say", to illustrate to you how I viewed what you wrote.
My point is that there is no "goa" which is different from "psychedelic trance", other than the 2 genres are just words for the same music - But, where "psychedelic trance" is the new presentation of the genre, "goa trance" is the old.
As such, they dont define a difference in the musical content, besides perhaps the production quality which improves over time.
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
Goa by definition is 'psychedelic trance' but for the third (and final) time, not all 'psychedelic trance' is Goa... in the same way that not all dance music is disco and not all piano music is jazz. I'm amazed that someone who says they have been on this scene for over 10 years doesn't seem to understand this.
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I do understand - Like I also wrote earlier, "Goa Trance" and "Goa" is more of an era than an actual defined genre.
BOTH "Goa Trance" AND "Psychedelic Trance" are main genre names covering the same spectrum of sub genres.
Only reason that "Goa Trance" stopped being used to describe all of the music was for the reasons I stated earlier.
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Labels like YSE plaster the word GOA all over their releases in big, bold fuck-off letters... regardless of the fact that most of the music contained within isn't 'Goa' at all. People know the word 'Goa'... the word 'Goa' sells... especially to people who think 'Goa' is cool yet don't actually know what it is. Hence the establishment of the misconception.
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Which is one of the reasons people were compelled to call it something new, over 10 years ago.
Goa is NOT a clearly defined genre: It can, if you want it to, cover ALL music which has grown from it and is played within the scene (if that scene still exists, most people agree, that era is over).
If you were to play a Dark Psy, Full On, Progressive Psy or similar track 10 years ago - It would be accepted as Goa, if only it was played within the scene where Goa Style parties took place.
Now, we cant travel back in time for me to REALLY proove to you that point - I guess you just have to take my word for it... If its true (and I believe it is), all psy IS goa ;-)
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
Anyway, man... you can analyse the shit out of this as much as you like but the fact remains...
Not all psychedelic music popularly defined as 'trance' is Goa... Goa has a specific sound.
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Goa did NOT have a specific sound beyond what it was limited to production & mastering wise. There was constant experimentation, left and right, within the genre - and what defined "Goa Trance" music was the fact that it was played at "Goa Style Parties" and not the general sound of it as such.
Musical focus within "Goa Trance" could be both tribal, melodic, psychedelic, ethnic or whatever. Of course rock music would not be accepted as "Goa Trance", but, most current psy subgenres would.
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
I know what Goa sounds like... many others on this forum know what Goa sounds like... the fact that you want to perform some kind of etymological autopsy on the word doesn’t change that.
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People know stereotypes yes, stereotypes which where commercially imprinted on them by record companies (like YSE which you mention), foremost by Sony Music which released the "Distance to Goa" series + also retailers who needed to know where to put the releases first in the cataloques and last at the retailers shelves "File under Goa".
"Goa Trance" = music played within the scene of "Goa Style Parties".
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
To me it seems like you are just pulling in random stuff you have Googled from all other the place and to be brutally honest i don't think you really understand what you are talking about.
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Thats because you dont trust me
I am not doing any googling; this music has just been a big part of my life for a long time now. I have participated in debates online about this since 1996/97, and knowledge therefore clings to ones mind. Thats all.
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
Look... maybe we should deal with this like men! Come on... outside... NOW!!!
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Too much physical activity
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Sorry, bro but you gave your honest opinion and i'm giving mine. Lets just call it a difference of opinion, eh?
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Sure, Im glad you took the time to read and write
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On 2006-04-10 19:26, ----Dawn---- wrote:
I'm guessing you wont believe me when i say this... but no hard feelings. I just ditched half of this post because i thought it was getting too personal. I don't come here to insult folks for no good reason!
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Yeah, no reason to be personal when the subject at hand is really not personal - You know, most of the times people get in "debate wars" its just because when they read something, they apply an "inner voice" which may sound arrogant, mad or whatever in what they read.
In fact, Im just trying to clarify the matter that I largely agree with you, but that I do not feel your information is accurate when you dig into it like I do. (Ive made the same arguments myself as you have here).
I dont really disagree with you when you write "All Goa is Psy, but not all Psy is Goa".
Its just, that in fact, in my eyes, goa is not that defined. So, you could actually very well call the YSE stuff "goa" - But - only because "Goa", at the time of its conception, was a "free genre", which was in a state of constant evolution towards what we have today.
"Goa Trance" never referred to the musical content, but the scene from where the music came from - This was another reason the new term "Psychedelic Trance" was adopted.
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... Unless it’s funny of course.
All the best.
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We are doing this for our enjoyment - Believe it or not
Best Wishes
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Krell
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 00:32
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On 2006-04-07 20:37, Krell wrote:
A big thing was the fact that most of the music was not made in Goa, and therefore the geographical meaning of the word "Goa" didnt seem right - it was neither descriptive of the music nor practical.
However - All of it was sold as "goa trance" and "psychedelic trance"....
There was no logic in the genre naming back then, the sound would change very often also - Not like now, where almost everything sounds the same, or is genre crossovers.
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I think that your geographic qualms are not entirely right. Almost all of the original artists travelled to Goa seasonally, and would return to their homelands to produce music that captured the spirit or essence of the Goa experience. It may have been made in Europe, Japan, and Australia, but the soul of the sound was firmly that of the Indian beaches and coastal valleys.
I also feel that the naming conventions and declaration of genre limits have less to do with what the music was sold or marketed as, and more to do with how listeners have referred to and thought of the music through the years. The boundaries of a genre are defined by group consensus more than they are by individual writers or analysts, after all... although you should realize the implication of that statement posting on a forum or writing a publication enables you to reach people and possibly change or influence their opinions and outlook...
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I do not disagree with you - There were more than just one factor in why the genre naming moved from "Goa Trance" to "Psychedelic Trance", however, musical content was not it.
Im also stating more than one factor in what wrote I believe
By 1995/96 Goa Style parties are no longer local to Goa - Its world wide, so are producers, djs and organizers - Many never set foot in Goa to experience the vibe there....
Im quite sure that the move, genre wise, from "goa" to "psychedelic" was not provoked by commercial reasons.
After all, when you build up a brand, you are not interested in its destruction (better to go with it).
I can only refer to my own experiences at the time, and like I wrote, they were that people got fed up with the "goa" word, and through broad consensus changed it, slowly.
One year we call it "goa trance", a few years later is "goa psychedelic trance", and even later no mention of goa at all anymore and its all either psytrance or minimal psy.
Few years later again, its progressive & full on
Now did the music REALLY change? Or which needs dictate the formation of genre names?
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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 00:35
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The boundaries of a genre are defined by group consensus more than they are by individual writers or analysts
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Couldn't have put it better, mate!
I know what Goa is... and i don't need to read a spurious technical essay to know it when i hear it.
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I didnt say you needed one either.
Its easy to say what is Goa - the hard part is saying what is not.
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@Krell
I don't agree with a lot of the stuff you have said but i've already said all i want to say and i'm not going to keep going over the same points time and time again. I have my opinion... you have yours... and they are different. I haven’t changed my opinion and i’m sure you haven’t changed yours so i guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I'm really tempted to pick you up on a few of the things you said in your last few posts but this is going nowhere so i'm gonna leave it at that.
People can read what i have written and (with the help of a strong stimulant) read what you have written... and decide for themselves.
The most important aspect of debating is to know when you are wasting your time. If i want to bang my head against a brick wall i have one right here.
Peace and differences of opinion. 
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Krell
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All Goa is psychedelic trance... but not all psychedelic trance is Goa
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mhm. 100% agreed
Like cognac/brandy .. And so on 
In other words, it's very "ironic" that Goa trance is psychedelic, while psychedelic trance (psytrance) (These days?).
Well, you cant always be sure that it is psychedelic.
And I would like to lol at this. We live in a twisted world for sure. 
As you where.
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Krell
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Yeah, thats Wikipedias version
But, even Wikipedia cannot really keep it apart when they go into depth.
For instance
Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatrance
"The first compilations or albums where the Goa trance sound could be heard, distinguishable from "normal" trance music, is likely Dragonfly Records "Project II Trance" and its successor "Order Odonata"."
Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psytrance
"The first pure Psychedelic trance label was Dragonfly Records, formed by the artist and trance producer Martin "Youth" Glover (a former bassist for the band Killing Joke) in Brixton, London."
In one qoute Dragonfly is the first Goa Trance label, in the next its replaced by Psychedelic Trance. In essence, both are the same.
The mixup is again, deeper in the text - between Goa and Psy. In truth, more complex.
This part is even more interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psytrance#Psychedelic_trance_vs_Goa_trance
"The term "Psychedelic trance" is used to distinguish the newer material made by many artists, who were formerly known to have produced Goa trance."
In regards to Psytrance just being Goa with newer production techniques, which, in my eyes, allows for all Psy to be Goa subgenres this is interesting.
Quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psytrance#Psychedelic_trance_vs_Goa_trance
"The original Goa trance was often made with popular Modular synthesizers and hardware samplers, but the preference in Psychedelic trance has moved to sample manipulation and storage in VST and AU software sampler applications. The use of analog synthesizers for sound synthesis has given way to digital "virtual analog" instruments like the Nord Lead, Access Virus, Korg MS-2000, Roland JP-8000 and computer VST and AU plugins like Native Instruments Reaktor. These are usually controlled by MIDI sequencers within Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) applications."
This part again goes to show that the change from "Goa" to "Psy" has nothing to do with musical content, besides production techniques.
Subgenres are genres formed from a main genre, they grow as roots from a tree.
As such, a main genre will act as an umbrella to its sub genres.
Chronological Genre Layout
Trance Dance -> Goa Trance -> Psychedelic Trance -> New subgenres.
However, Wikipedia states that Dragonfly is not only the first Goa Trance label, but also the first Psychedelic Trance label.
This puts the 2 genre names on top of each other, one just being a newer incarnation of the other. New label for the same content, or a different label for the same content.
Logical Genre Layout
Trance Dance -> Goa/Psy Trance -> New subgenres.
In this layout I have moved "psy" up along with "goa" - Since the 2 are essentially the same.
There is no logic, whatsoever, in "Psychedelic Trance" being the main genre, and "Goa" being a sub genre within "Psychedelic Trance".
At best, goa and psy er equal (Only difference being 3 letters as Dawn also wrote) - at worst, Psy is a subgenre to Goa. "Psychedelic Trance" can never be the main genre umbrella/tree.
Misconceptions do not change facts. Those were the facts.
It maybe that some have a stereotypical idea of what Goa Trance is and what Psy Trance is.
But, travel back in time and listen to the releases + what was played in the scene - and the 2 were EXACTLY the same.
Only change is that in time, one expression died, in favour of the other.
This transition was not musicly based... and the changes musicly taking place in "Psychedelic Trance" were matters of production techniques and cross genre breeding and nothing else.
The result is "Minimal Psy", "Full On", "Progressive", "Suomi Style", "Dark Psy", "Forest Psy" and so forth.
These are ALL Goa/Psy Subgenres, and if you travelled back in time, Im sure they would be accepted as "Goa Trance".
Its pure evolution... There was a formation of new subgenres for new sound such as "Minimal Psy" long before anyone thought about diffentiating "Goa Trance" and "Psychedelic Trance" as 2 distinct genres, individually on their own.
Anyone who has followed the music since then aught to be able to see that, or they are blind to reality.
Best Wishes
Krell
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Daft question and there is probably a really obvious answer but...
Why are some pages on this forum sooo damn long... while others seem really short?
This page is a good example.
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