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Posted : Dec 14, 2012 23:21
yes ISO standards are Quality standards by wich companies have to obey Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
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Posted : Dec 14, 2012 23:22
Thank u for the kicks Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 12:32
So what you guys think of this kick? Was made by me with bazzism the bassline is not goa, more of a full-onish one but im working on that
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 15:40
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yes ISO standards are Quality standards by wich companies have to obey
oh ok thanks man i didn't get it lol
sounded too modern for my taste too but with sound on top i think the overall sound would have been nice, hybrid oldschool/modern
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 15:41
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So what you guys think of this kick? Was made by me with bazzism the bassline is not goa, more of a full-onish one but im working on that
nice sound really good maybve even too good , it s too modern for me , too close to full on sound caractere or too close from too many producers dunno but it sound good put some sound on top man !
after it s taste if you want a bit less clean sound try soundtoys decapitator on most tracks use lightly just to try to warm up the sound and give more weight,separation, depth front to back.
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 15:47
Hi,
you came closer with the kick drum.. still if you want goa like sound you need to capture the whole vibe.
I talked to Kris from UX recently, about his production techniques, and the trick behind his kicks is overdriving the preamps on a mackie vlz mixer. They did not use compression much. Also a pinch of high passed mono plate reverb.
In old days, they mainly used rhythm machines, not samples, so emulations of Roland 909 in particular, or cheap rhythm machines and grooveboxes (korg electribe, rolan mc 303, simmons drums sds1000, boss rhythm machines) will do the trick. Heavy compression, overdrive fx, tape emulation.. This pretty much changed when artists like Infected mushroom (their infected kick tutorial was very influential), logic bomb, orion etc, started using more psy kick drums, and also the concept for the bassline was changed!
Goa trance evolved from Acid like genres, so for the bassline, try studying some basic 303 patterns, since 303 itself was very much present in the beginnings.. also synths like roland sh101, or roland juno.. play with longer decays, even tweaked by hand for more groove, lots of portamento (legato, glide), and place also notes that overlap with the kick drum, syncopation is very important, etc.. Modulation on the cutoff parameter is crucial. Side chain compression to the kick drum helps creating the desired groove!
Rhythm part is not much complicated, nice snare drum on top of the 2nd and 4th kick drum, and the offbeat open hi hat are the most important rhythmic elements, they are keeping the groove tight. Again this are coming from a 909 like instrument.
Try to get nice virtual analog instruments emulating old synths, LA2A like limiters, tape compression fx, vintage sounding choruses and phasers, plate reverbs.. Since most of the old digital drum machines vere 12bit and/or producers using trackers with 12bit or even 8 bit samples, try lowering the bit dept of some samples to get them sound more "oldschool"!
In the link below i am sending some Kick from a Waldorf synth (unprocessed, ply with some compression, overdrive, reverb, limiter..), and example of a bassline, root note C! Also i made a short loop..
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 16:10
Crnorizec Hrabar thanks for the kick and great post !
about ux in some tunes the production was really good and still sound better than lot of modern one imo.
something i really don t like in modern goa it feel like it sound fake,it s sound too close to fullon, sound too much like music made with plugins dunno.. i don t like this caractere personnaly.. it s possible to get ride of it with working on it so i guess it s about taste sounding fresh or more oldschool and with oldschool i don t mean bad mix !
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Crnorizec Hrabar thanks for the kick and great post !
about ux in some tunes the production was really good and still sound better than lot of modern one imo.
something i really don t like in modern goa it feel like it sound fake,it s sound too close to fullon, sound too much like music made with plugins dunno.. i don t like it personnaly.. it s possible to get ride of this caractere with working on it so i guess it s about taste sounding fresh or more oldschool and with oldschool i don t mean bad mix !
Hey, you are welcome!
Of course, "oldschool" production does not mean bad mix, just different.. It can be achieve, but you need to forget all the rules you know about music production, make small rudimentary setup, and play with it!! And have a lot, a lot of fun.. That is what music is all about, having fun!
I really like psychedelic/goa artist from the second generation, like UX, Hux Flux, Blue Planet Corporation, Slide, Orion, Mino, Pigs in Space etc, that managed to retain the melodic and organic sound of goa, but injected with new dosage of pure psychedelia, more tight production, heavier grooves... I am searching for this kind of sound for years..
For Goa/Psy production, one useful tool is Reason, it sounds very, very oldschool, and if you have a controller to control the mixer live, like all the old artist use to, you can get very good tracks, and this way you are getting rid of the template like modern full on music! For more Psychedelic sound Nord Modular is the synth to go to, but thats another topic!
Ps: For the rhythm part in goa trance use a lot of swings, different velocities, dont place everything "dead on beat", since the old stuff used to drift alot.
Pss: Check this video, without a computer!!
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 17:04
Thanx Pom, yes its a bit on the full-on sound, but the bass is made with Tau-Pro, i was thinking of oppening the "Q" parameter to give it a more 303 feel and put a Vanguard on top following the same pattern, i will test it later.
Crnorizec Hrabar, i was reading POM's thread on plugins, d'loaded those TAL reverbs and Chorus, very cool ones, with this kick i made a 1 bar loop and the kick has 4 different velocities, i'm learning I don't have hardware just virtual and digital, but i'm using all the old stuff i can get you seem to know what you are talking about thank you
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 17:34
yeah tal plugin and synth can have something nice in their caractere ,i enjoy his work, try his last juno ,instant goa.. the free version just let you not save preset and setting in the session so really no big deal imo.. or support the hard work when possible..
i think for goa it s a lot in synth programing, and even if it s possible to make great oldschool goa patch in modern synth, like even in massive ,these synth dont push you to program these sounds..so it s a bit diffucult when you dont know how to program these at first , but anyway its all about the fun , nothing bad with this.. it s just me who is a bit tired of over use of supersaw but i think many are , i know even some guys who got really tired of lisetning trance tired of supersaw and patch based on this tbh..lol
i love all the hardsyncro patch in goa and all the twisted stuff coming from very fast modulation on filter,osc.. but also the very simple patchs that just sound good with a nice melodie or with some creative fxs.
if you try synth like the tal juno i m sure you will make many goa sound that you will enjoy a lot cause that kind of interface just lead to make good goa sound with ease that later you can reproduce on many synth.. the thing is that you will have probably never learned how to make these sound without using the juno at first..
for me that why i think tools matter a lot, more than their sound it s what we learn by using them
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 18:08
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I really like psychedelic/goa artist from the second generation, like UX, Hux Flux, Blue Planet Corporation, Slide, Orion, Mino, Pigs in Space etc, that managed to retain the melodic and organic sound of goa, but injected with new dosage of pure psychedelia, more tight production, heavier grooves... I am searching for this kind of sound for years..
Crnorizec
me too i m still looking for some tunes i can t find back , it was more the sound from uk and scandinavia.. and the most psych one was like the forest trance of the goa days.. great great stuff, what i really enjoy the most is when the tune it totally twisted and euphorical , with great bassline that bring smile.. but it was more underground goa trance and i can t find back most of these tunes and that sound direction
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 18:54
Crnorizec Hrabar ,one for you .. 4,20 and later marked my life forever lol it remind me a bit ux btw wonder if he was not part of this project
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 19:11
damn i compared to some modern full on cause i was wondering if i was not dreaming, i just notice how the synth in this track sound good just maybe a bit narrow for my taste.. the transition was kinda hard lol modern synths sound is really bad to me comapred to this ^^ basically everyhthing over the low mids ..their is just something about the sound totally missing in modern stuff ,come back to the source guys a top beat and a bit more stereo under this ^^ it slay any modern full on in term of production for me.. even like that the sound is so much more organic ,loudness really destroy music but i doubt it s the only reason
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Posted : Dec 17, 2012 20:00
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Thanx Pom, yes its a bit on the full-on sound, but the bass is made with Tau-Pro, i was thinking of oppening the "Q" parameter to give it a more 303 feel and put a Vanguard on top following the same pattern, i will test it later.
it s too regular i think that what give that full on sound, i would play with different note lenghts maybe and try to make it more groovy,filter,velocity mod.. stuff like this it need mouvment, or maybe it s cause the osc feel too stable dunno
the bassline is not goa, more of a full-onish one but im working on that 
sound really good maybve even too good , it s too modern for me , too close to full on sound caractere or too close from too many producers dunno but it sound good 
you seem to know what you are talking about thank you
