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goa gil for new years in san francisco???
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__BambA__
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 23:47
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harsh feelings we have over here... i think u haters are more mad , upset or maybe jealous at the respect Gil is getting within time ...
Gil parties are always an amazing experience with variety of styles music wise even people wise 
and yes try to hit one of his parties its 2010 things change....
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 23:59
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On 2010-01-08 23:47, __BambA__ wrote:
harsh feelings we have over here... i think u haters are more mad , upset or maybe jealous at the respect Gil is getting within time ...
Gil parties are always an amazing experience with variety of styles music wise even people wise
and yes try to hit one of his parties its 2010 things change....
bOm!
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Eh no thank you. You couldn't pay me to see Gil...
What I want to ask all you Gil fans.. Why the hell can't Gil mix? If you are mixing all over the world for 24 hours straight you think you could match beats by now.. I mean that's kinda djing 101.. Oh wait thats right he gets special treatment and doesn't really have to Dj.
Sorry you all make this too easy!
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 00:08
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On 2010-01-08 23:27, GyPsynate wrote:
You two were made for each other (11+Paradigm forever!).
11 youve seen him once right, when you came with us to OR to see him?
Ever talk to him in person?
Not sure how you can say these completely disrecpectful words about someone you dont even know...Its sad.
Are you just taking Paradigms encounters as your examples for judgement?
This man has put in more time than any of us.
Yes, he has earned his respect... The same respect that you should give to another Act that has been doing it for many years longer than you.
If you dont like his style or like his attitude thats fine but to say things like:
"GOA GIL sucks people. He can't mix, he isn't a nice person and he plays bad music. What's there to like?
Honestly I wish he would just do us all a favor and retire!!!
Everynight before I go to sleep I hope and pray Goa Gil NEVER PLAYS IN COLORADO!"
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"honestly... IMO, I dont think he has earned said respect."
Well makes you sound childish and ignorant.
Honestly...
You think you have earned more respect than Gil... Parigm?...
11?
This all seems 5th grade to me, the man has earned more respect than he is given. If your getting that old and rocking a decent set ALL night and then some, I'll fight for your respect also.
Dances off with an ear to ear smile bumping a Goa Gil set.
Of course this is all just my Opinion and we all know
how easy it is to get one of those.
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It's not like I'm sitting her demanding respect for my djing. If you like me great if you don't you don't. lol
And for the record I was Anti Gil before Paradigm and I hooked up.
Why do we have to respect Goa Gil so much. Who freakin cares. He isn't how I got turned onto Goa and Psytrance.
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 00:43
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Note that the said Gil's inability to beatmatch bothers only DJs ("Look, he can't beatmatch shit, but I can—book me!"). Regular folk who come to his parties don't seem to think it's a big shortcoming on his part. The real incentive here, in my opinion, is the access to a wide selection of new music available _exclusively_ to baba Gil. This in turn creates a sense of uniqueness and exclusivity for those who attend. Also a good incentive for the ones who dislike the ordinaries of today's world.
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Ascension
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 00:51
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Squee.Isme
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 01:36
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GIL DOES IT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU DO... ALL OF YOU.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GOOD FOR YOU, OTHER PEOPLE DO.
so funny sitting around trying to convince people that what they like isn't worth liking... the most rediculous, pointless, and energy draining rehash of the same old bullshit that we are privileged to go through EVERY GODDAMN time gil is brought up.
if you don't understand why people like him... then maybe it just doesn't speak to you, or MAYBE YOU DON'T GET IT!!! either way, your little words and opinions about how gil plays doesn't change anyone, it doesn't make up someones mind, it doesn't make gil do anything.... NOTHING, POINTLESS.
and to make comparisons and speak of WHAT MAKES A GOOD DJ?.... really? so you are better or this other person is better?
art is GOD.... we hear art and see art and we all take it in differently, compare it with our experiences and feelings, then apply it in whatever way we choose... its all personal. we all hate some music and love other music, but who really cares? enjoy your fucking differences people!!!!
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e11even
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 01:44
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On 2010-01-09 01:36, Squee.Isme wrote:
GIL DOES IT DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU DO... ALL OF YOU.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GOOD FOR YOU, OTHER PEOPLE DO.
so funny sitting around trying to convince people that what they like isn't worth liking... the most rediculous, pointless, and energy draining rehash of the same old bullshit that we are privileged to go through EVERY GODDAMN time gil is brought up.
if you don't understand why people like him... then maybe it just doesn't speak to you, or MAYBE YOU DON'T GET IT!!! either way, your little words and opinions about how gil plays doesn't change anyone, it doesn't make up someones mind, it doesn't make gil do anything.... NOTHING, POINTLESS.
and to make comparisons and speak of WHAT MAKES A GOOD DJ?.... really? so you are better or this other person is better?
art is GOD.... we hear art and see art and we all take it in differently, compare it with our experiences and feelings, then apply it in whatever way we choose... its all personal. we all hate some music and love other music, but who really cares? enjoy your fucking differences people!!!!
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Here we go again.. Yes I know Goa Gil's track selection is just so complex my puney little full on brain just can't comprehend it.
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Other people like it. That doesn't say much considering how many stupid people there are with bad tastes in music.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 01:47
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I don't think Gil is incapable of beatmatching, he just chooses not to do it.
The original purpose of beatmatching was to ensure that the beat never stopped. When the tracks you are playing have long breakdowns in it, that kind of defeats that purpose doesn't it? |
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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 02:12
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honestly after reading all your posts im going to say what i was going to say in private...
If as Squee says, opinions are pointless, how about some cold hard facts........
Not that any of you all will believe me, as you all drink the kool-aid or punch thats regularly on the alter at Gil events but...
HISTORY-
Gil claims to be one of, if not the creator of Goa Trance. Bull shit. That credit goes to a French man named Laurent. That fellow was the first to mix disco, with early proto-house, and hindi melodies on the beaches of goa, over dat tape back in the early 80's.
Gil, living off his family's Marin county trust fund, and bumming around India as a hippy, was there, along with Raja, Chicago and a bunch of the other early people. Yes he was there at the start, but he has no claim to ownership over it, as he does purport than anyone else.
PERSONALLY - Ive met the man, he's been in my home... He's not a nice person. Unless, your a producer and he wants your music, then he's your best friend. Ive heard him yell and scream and call people names. He's gone off on organizers, sound techs, deco people and the like. He has a temper, and he is not by any means afraid to throw his weight around.
He claims to be this Baba, and enlightened soul. Anyone that would scream and yell at someone, because the DJ, table was 1 foot short (length wise, not height) of his specifications is simply a bully.
PROFESSIONALLY - when you book him, he has a 30+ page rider. Not only does it detail the schematics for both DJ booth and table (this i can understand given the nature of his performance) he dictates, level of hotel accomodations, acceptable types of beer and quantities that he must have, as well as numerous other items... including, but not limited to
first class tickets on Luftansa for all international travel. Did you know that the booking requirements for Astrix are less stringent than Gil. What does that tell you? The most commercial minded act in our scene, is less of a pain in the ass than the most underground. Really?
SKILLS... aside for his lack of DJ ability, or lack of even wanting to try and learn. (he does play on cdj's too, not just dat), his taste does not reflect the conditions of the party or time of day, but simply his mood. If he plays and causes a dance floor of 2000 people to turn into one of 50 (this has happend, Full Moon fest in Germany 2004 ) does he change what he's playing? No. Its inconsequential to him. He plays for himself, not the crowd. His own production, is now at least using Ableton. His first releases under the Nommo's were actually made using Fruity Loops. and people thought them awesome. I know first hand someone who was in studio with him, during those first tracks.
Also is utter disdain and inabilty to share the stage with one, just speaks volumes of this mans ego. He is beyond everyone, and no one can be his equal. Yeah right. Raja Ram has been around just as long, and is a far nicer chap than Gil.
Gil's only true talent, is his ability to stand and play for extended periods of time.
I wasnt going to even bring any of this to the table, but you all get so hostile when confronted with opinions regarding him, that dont mesh with your false idol viewpoints. Hopefully, tho doubtful at least a couple of you will at least reconsider. Im not saying dont go to Gil, if that your thing great. But stop the hero worship, stop the cultist mentality... he's a dj (albeit a bad one) but nothing more
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Kwazzy
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 03:22
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not for anyone to take personally:
I went to the last birthday bash here in CA which happend to be my first gil show(being from the east coast and not seeing him out there), I also go to almost all outside gatherings in northern california regardless of musical lineups (dark or not) and enjoy most genres played if it is even remotely well balanced.....
I loved the people involved and attending the gil show and some of the good vibes, but i have no desire to ever go to another one(musically that is)....22 hours of almost the same music with not much of any theme or story behind it, or much of personal contribution of Gil to the crowd....to me a good Dj means a combination of mixing skills, understanding the crowd and what moves them when and also building a story behind your music...... didnt see much of any
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 03:39
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Breakdowns are not stops, when they happen the music keeps playing.
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On 2010-01-09 01:47, Shiranui wrote:
The original purpose of beatmatching was to ensure that the beat never stopped. When the tracks you are playing have long breakdowns in it, that kind of defeats that purpose doesn't it?
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acplaughs
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 03:54
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Last time I saw Gil I danced for 12 hours straight. No DJ, no artist, has EVER done that to me. I danced until my legs gave out. SOBER.
His personal character may be problematic but he isn't my friend and probably never will be, I don't have to socially interact with him.
He may not be able to beatmatch, but that didn't seem to bother the other people who danced for hours on end till they were hanging from the rafters screaming in joy, dancing like it was the end of the world.
Guess what, music is NOT innately good or bad. Its all interpretation and interaction between the listener and the music, with the mind of the listener IMO taking primacy over the content of the music. Every track he plays may be simplistic poorly produced shit but guess what hundreds, no thousands of people dance their blissed out asses to his music every year, love the parties and have beautiful times, that is beautiful, that is what trance is about, forget about the music, forget about the dj, its all about a party where people connect, where people dance, where people have experiences.
Guess what I hate fullon, i think 99 percent of it is mindless ravey crap, same with house music. But if I go to a party, or hear about a party where people danced endlessly, had a great time, etc etc I could care less. I go to plenty of "full on" "melodic" parties, think the music is cliched/boring/shit but still dance my ass off, feed off the energy, love the social interactions and have respect for the artists who get an audience dancing and provide an experience.
e11even, I respect you as a person, as a DJ, and as an artist, hell I really enjoy interacting with you but I have seen you post negatively at every chance you can get about psytrance that exceeds the bpm's you prefer. Over and over again, for years, in person, and online. Yawn...
Same for the dark psy hard liners, if it gets people dancing and trancing I think we all need to just relax and understand the underlying creative intent.
THIS IS SUBJECTIVE TASTE. Thousands dance to him. He has been a part of countless incredible experiences in peoples life. Coming on here and bitching about Gil and saying things like "gah I didn't want to say anything but I JUST HAD TO BECAUSE I CAN'T RESIST IT" makes you sound like the fucking Grinch. Hey guess what some people like him, and luckily he plays alone so you will NEVER be forced to even look at him ifi you don't want to. Find something worthwhile to get emotional about.
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nomadics
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 04:28
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woops wrong door... this must be the butt trumpet room.
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acplaughs
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 04:53
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On 2010-01-09 04:28, nomadics wrote:
woops wrong door... this must be the butt trumpet room.
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WEll it is psytrance, a genre that people ascribe mystical/magical woo woo to and act like its more than just noise. Guess what, its just music, its just a party. I love it but good god, people are silly. |
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romanna
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Posted : Jan 9, 2010 06:42
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PERSONALLY - Ive met the man, he's been in my home... He's not a nice person. Unless, your a producer and he wants your music, then he's your best friend. Ive heard him yell and scream and call people names. He's gone off on organizers, sound techs, deco people and the like. He has a temper, and he is not by any means afraid to throw his weight around.
He claims to be this Baba, and enlightened soul. Anyone that would scream and yell at someone, because the DJ, table was 1 foot short (length wise, not height) of his specifications is simply a bully.
PROFESSIONALLY - when you book him, he has a 30+ page rider. Not only does it detail the schematics for both DJ booth and table (this i can understand given the nature of his performance) he dictates, level of hotel accomodations, acceptable types of beer and quantities that he must have, as well as numerous other items... including, but not limited to
first class tickets on Luftansa for all international travel. Did you know that the booking requirements for Astrix are less stringent than Gil. What does that tell you? The most commercial minded act in our scene, is less of a pain in the ass than the most underground. Really?
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I have met goa gil several times, and find him to be the nicest of people...
perhaps he interacts differently with people who are bullheaded...personally, boys who use the word "respect" a lot, tend to have issues... anyone agree, disagree?
a friend of mine was bumming because he was dumped by a lover.... and was sad sad sad... and he told me that Gil called him, on the phone from india, and sang him a song, to help him cheer up...
i think the song was called "the ballad of the happy man"...
i know that he has played for free several times in northern california....
Now, I have looked into what you are saying of being a baba...
and it lead me to read about the naga babas... Pretty radical ideas. . .
i haven't seen where he claims to have invented goa trance...
can you post a link please?
I certainly have heard rumours that Gil has shared a stage many times... perhaps I am mistaken.
but how weird street fair, tantra parties, burning man, and love projectors all threw parties where he was part of a larger musical picture...
The only personal experience I have had, was dancing in front of the dj booth
him looking at me, smiling, and handing me a chocolate chip cookie....
blew my mind...
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