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goa gil for new years in san francisco???
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 3, 2010 07:25
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Sorry I got a little emotional.
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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 3, 2010 20:19
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On 2010-01-03 01:36, romanna wrote:
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On 2010-01-01 01:19, paradigm wrote:
sigh... again here we go with the splitting of the scene. Why do this?
Honestly this just seems like a dick move to the already established event, which btw... has several acts playing that the Gil fans support
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here we go with some old fasion paradigm hating....
its been too long, we haven't felt the fluffy lovers angst in a while
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honestly it has nothing to do with fluff or not. Yes i like the lighter side of things, but honestly my battle is against mediocrity, and the half assed, under produced, my shit sounds like garbage so it must be next level psychedelic side of things.
Standards and professionalism in this scene is what i preach for. . That includes, good acts that know what they are doing (both light and dark), good sound, good deco, and the right intention.
and i think that just because some of you may not want to go 2 a venue that attracts a certain element, thats fine don't go. Its your choices. Honestly, i wasn't thrilled with the offering by Tantra this year, and if i was in town, i probably wouldn't have gone anyways.
But i think its a terrible thing to split the scene like this.Especially given that the scene is not healthy at all these days. Throw Gil, but do it the following weekend. Tantra does NYE, has for years. Am i the biggest fan of their events? No, but its still a bullshit power play, that in the end only undermines the scene as whole.
Certain people have certain traditional dates locked up.
I can only imagine the sabre rattling that would come from the Gil heads if someone threw a large Full-On fest on memorial weekend.
Or, would you people condone another org throwing a show on Gemini weekend?
Some dates are sacred and locked up by certain people.
Its a respect thing, and honestly, very little of any of the organizers in the Bay Area have it. Its everybody for their own, with out any thought to the state of the bigger scene as a whole
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 3, 2010 20:59
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Honestly I would rather hear so-so production of a song composed from the heart, than a very well-produced but uninspired and generic track. I would also prefer a party with a warm and welcoming crowd but perhaps low production values to a party with amazing deco and sound where I feel like an outsider.
Since I first started frequenting the trance scene around the bay area a little over a year ago I've detected from many people this vibe of exclusivity--we don't want "them" to come to the party.
When someone who isn't a well-known regular shows up at an event, I rarely see any sort of attempt to be friendly or welcoming, but rather the opposite: people want people they do not know to go away. Unfortunately with an attitude like that, your scene can only get smaller, and eventually will disappear.
I am not saying to go to big parties in downtown SF and hand out psytrance fliers to everyone who will take them (like certain promoters do), but when someone does stumble across your scene--like I did not too long ago--why not try and see if they are worth spending time with rather than shun them without giving a second changce? |
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konflux
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Posted : Jan 3, 2010 22:28
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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 00:02
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On 2010-01-03 20:59, Shiranui wrote:
Honestly I would rather hear so-so production of a song composed from the heart, than a very well-produced but uninspired and generic track. I would also prefer a party with a warm and welcoming crowd but perhaps low production values to a party with amazing deco and sound where I feel like an outsider.
Since I first started frequenting the trance scene around the bay area a little over a year ago I've detected from many people this vibe of exclusivity--we don't want "them" to come to the party.
When someone who isn't a well-known regular shows up at an event, I rarely see any sort of attempt to be friendly or welcoming, but rather the opposite: people want people they do not know to go away. Unfortunately with an attitude like that, your scene can only get smaller, and eventually will disappear.
I am not saying to go to big parties in downtown SF and hand out psytrance fliers to everyone who will take them (like certain promoters do), but when someone does stumble across your scene--like I did not too long ago--why not try and see if they are worth spending time with rather than shun them without giving a second changce?
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sadly tho, more often than not it is a substandard event, with no heart, and low production values, where people are made to feel like outsiders.
just because you do something, does not mean you deserve a pat on the back for it.
I agree very much with you tho, Shiranui, that new faces, be they awesome people or not, are not greeted very warmly these days. It seems there is a inherent distrust of outsiders, and that among other things is killing the scene. Perhaps this distrust is a backlash against a certain nameless org (we all know who i mean) who has taken things far too above ground and mainstream. Thats somewhat understandable but its also a knee jerk reaction. Get over it, move on and do clever inspired events, with out stepping on each others toes.
Right now IMO the only ones doing anything right are Jen and Leo, as they are making a serious effort to keep things underground and cater to the family vibe, but are also doing shows catering to the full spectrum of psy. Not just focusing on one style or another.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 01:29
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That reminds me, A neat little anecdote about the attitude I'm talking about:
I was at Gemini on, I believe, Sunday morning, and I met up with a certain drunken Russian that I'm sure many of you have met before, and we are having a great time, talking about stuff, drinking jack, walking about the camp.
And I come upon a group of kids who I know reasonably well from the north bay parties, and so I say hello and ask how their weekend is and what they think of the festival (since it's their first time there)...
And my russian companion pulls me aside and says something like "Don't talk to them, they're not part of us".
I was a bit offended and taken aback when this happened--I knew the people in question rather well and he didn't know them at all, so how did he judge such a thing so quickly when I knew it to be false? |
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the dog of tears
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 04:50
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Paradigm...
There is a full on party that psy tribe throws every year on memorial. Tons of la people still come up for gil tho. Neither party isreally effected. No one has ever cared.
No one owns a date. If the scene is so weak that we can't have two parties the same weekend, something ELSE needs to be done to strengthen it...
I'm pretty sure both parties did fine, and those who wanted to go to both, went to both. Ah the magic of a 12 sq mile city... |
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paradigm
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 07:20
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@ dog Psytribe is LA, Gil is NorCal. different. scenes, and one is considerably healthier in numbers and turnouts than the other one.
apples and coconuts
and to say if the scene is so weak that it cant have two parties the same date. Well, really your just deluding yourself. Its never really been able to do that, even at its hey day.
And as for something else to strengthen it. Well the only way to do that is to bring in and welcome new blood, but well just read some of the above comments to see how well the established folks feel about that.
case and point
thank you
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 07:43
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to quote Redscott: "I call shenanigans!"
this was a pre meditated thread hijack. no doubt.
thx aegis ><
something worth mentioning however is: after tehgil was done playing he mentioned something about spook 'splitting the scene' (or something similar, not verbatim) when spook would throw his shows the same night as gil.
regardless - i was super energized from gil! i only need to sleep for 2-3 hours per day!!!!! SERIOUSLY
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 15:36
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Okay now that we're done arguing and pointing fingers...
I love all of you. I am happy every day that a scene like this exists. Let's all have a big online e-hug! |
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 15:44
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I'm a bit miffed at how all that stuff went down, as well as the current state of the SF scene. But similar things used to happen during the days of Thump... There are about 4 weekends in a month, and it would be nice if organizers could actually get over themselves long enough to make something for the scene as a whole. Gil and Tantra have been bumping heads for years due to the New Years and the Love Fest dates... one can't move it and the other one refuses to, so in the end we're at a stalemate between both camps, but the only casualties in this are the scene in northern california as a whole. It's a damn shame, but until everyone gets over this presumtion that they know what is best for the scene, this will continue to happen and we will disappear up our own butts.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 15:49
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John has said to me a few times that he's wanted to get together and throw an event /with/ Gil instead of having competing events but obviously this is unacceptable for Gil since he is the only good DJ in the world and he won't have those other terrible DJs taint his pure awesome parties. |
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 15:55
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so much dripping sarcasm you could make icicles with it...
I just want it to be known that there's a lot of really good music out there that Gil won't touch, especially if it's under 150 bpm.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 16:35
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On 2010-01-04 15:55, mubali wrote:
so much dripping sarcasm you could make icicles with it...
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Would they be icicles or stalactites?
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romanna
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Posted : Jan 4, 2010 21:06
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On 2010-01-04 15:55, mubali wrote:
so much dripping sarcasm you could make icicles with it...
I just want it to be known that there's a lot of really good music out there that Gil won't touch, especially if it's under 150 bpm.
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well, he plays a lot of your under 150 toons though....
its not the meat its the motion, as my crewd uncle used to say while babysitting
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