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Goa Gil ..... dj sets !!
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pr0fane
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 03:28
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
And the fact that he is a regular guy just like everyone else its even better, bsides no 1 is saying other thing man...
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In fact A LOT of people in this thread alone is saying that he's much more than a regular guy. He's being looked upon as some kind of untouchable guru who always does everything right.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
We all know that his mixing technique might not be the best but what counts is the final result, wich its a true psychedelic xperience... |
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Yes, trainwrecks with colliding beats is ultra psychedelic indeed.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
he is not just playing music randomly, he knows what to play, when and how 2 do it |
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Give me a break. Does 18 hour sets with the same dark psychedelic +150 BPM sounds through night, sunrise, daytime and sunset show any sense of flow and storytelling?
It's not that I don't like this kind of music - it doesn't really interest me for homelistening, but you'll definitely see me dancing to it at parties, and I fully agree that there is a time and place for this music at the peak of the night. And there are many much, much better psychedelic DJ's out there than Goa Gil.  DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 03:46
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On 2006-12-24 03:28, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
And the fact that he is a regular guy just like everyone else its even better, bsides no 1 is saying other thing man...
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In fact A LOT of people in this thread alone is saying that he's much more than a regular guy. He's being looked upon as some kind of untouchable guru who always does everything right.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
We all know that his mixing technique might not be the best but what counts is the final result, wich its a true psychedelic xperience... |
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Yes, trainwrecks with colliding beats is ultra psychedelic indeed.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
he is not just playing music randomly, he knows what to play, when and how 2 do it |
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Give me a break. Does 18 hour sets with the same dark psychedelic +150 BPM sounds through night, sunrise, daytime and sunset show any sense of flow and storytelling?
It's not that I don't like this kind of music - it doesn't really interest me for homelistening, but you'll definitely see me dancing to it at parties, and I fully agree that there is a time and place for this music at the peak of the night. And there are many much, much better psychedelic DJ's out there than Goa Gil.
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I think at the end of the day, if his music is not to your tastes then you aint gonna like it. Obviously a lot of people do, which in their minds makes him an Icon. And from the point of view of his fans, I think they'd rather hear his taste mixed badly, than a load of fluffy, predictable trance mixed with precision.
It's a pointless arguement really.
All I know is he was there in the begining and he's still doing now and with passion.
Respect.
As for me I'd rather hear an 18 hour set than a load of two hour sets with each performer demanding applause.
I don't care whose mixing it, the music shouldnt stop. A seamless music experience. Isn't that the whole point of having a dj? |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 04:09
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On 2006-12-24 03:46, soulfood wrote:
I think at the end of the day, if his music is not to your tastes then you aint gonna like it.
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I never wrote I disliked his taste in music, in fact I wrote that I think it has a time and place in the peak of the night.
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On 2006-12-24 03:46, soulfood wrote:
I think they'd rather hear his taste mixed badly, than a load of fluffy, predictable trance mixed with precision.
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Why choose between god mixing/bad music and bad mixing/good music? Why not have good mixing AND good music, when there in fact are many technically talented psychedelic DJ's out there? This is the core of the discussion about Goa Gil as I see it.
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On 2006-12-24 03:46, soulfood wrote:
As for me I'd rather hear an 18 hour set than a load of two hour sets with each performer demanding applause.
I don't care whose mixing it, the music shouldnt stop. A seamless music experience. Isn't that the whole point of having a dj?
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I agree.
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soulfood
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 05:06
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Why choose between good mixing/bad music and bad mixing/good music? Why not have good mixing AND good music, when there in fact are many technically talented psychedelic DJ's out there? This is the core of the discussion about Goa Gil as I see it.
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Because many other DJ's arent Goa Gil. My Sister loves Bon Jovi. All her life. Now there are plenty of other stadium selling rock bands that write better songs and maybe even put on a bigger stage performance than Bon Jovi. But over the period of a twenty year career one gives themself a special permission to like them that much more because of what they mean, to ones self.
Take Jimmy Paige for example. Now He makes a shit load of mistakes, sometimes has trouble holding a rhythm. But he was an Icon of something so much bigger than the sum of his own parts, which is why some would definately say he's the greatest guitarist who ever walked the planet (although to virtuoso snobs he's a joke).
Music is an extension of ones soul.
If a man finds the perfect woman, he becomes blind to all around him, even if his family doesnt approve of his choice, he sticks by her regardless because she is special to him.
Now, I'm a little tipsy and I realise I've gone a bit out there. But its the same with Goa Gil. He is an Icon regardless of his skill and his choice of tune. But underneath that messy hair of his there is more than just a man, there is an idea.. and ideas are bullet proof (crap I got cheesey).
I guess what I'm saying is, I know where you are coming from (don't get me wrong). But do you now understand what the appeal is about Goa Gil?
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dE.Tonatik
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 22:52
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On 2006-12-24 03:28, pr0fane wrote:
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
And the fact that he is a regular guy just like everyone else its even better, bsides no 1 is saying other thing man...
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In fact A LOT of people in this thread alone is saying that he's much more than a regular guy. He's being looked upon as some kind of untouchable guru who always does everything right.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
We all know that his mixing technique might not be the best but what counts is the final result, wich its a true psychedelic xperience... |
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Yes, trainwrecks with colliding beats is ultra psychedelic indeed.
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On 2006-12-24 02:29, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
he is not just playing music randomly, he knows what to play, when and how 2 do it |
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Give me a break. Does 18 hour sets with the same dark psychedelic +150 BPM sounds through night, sunrise, daytime and sunset show any sense of flow and storytelling?
It's not that I don't like this kind of music - it doesn't really interest me for homelistening, but you'll definitely see me dancing to it at parties, and I fully agree that there is a time and place for this music at the peak of the night. And there are many much, much better psychedelic DJ's out there than Goa Gil.
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 name 1 psychedelic dj please...U r seeing him as this untouchable guru, no one else is saying it, pelase dont put words in our mouths  ... and yes as i said b4 the result of his set its indeed psychedelic... u just have to see beyond dj tricks...
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pr0fane
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Posted : Dec 24, 2006 23:32
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On 2006-12-24 22:52, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
name 1 psychedelic dj please...
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Jun. That's one. Want more? Jahbo, Monno, Krell, Dennis The Menace and NASA. I've heard all of them play much better dark psychedelic DJ-sets than Goa Gil, and I am certain that there are many more psychedelic DJ's out there as well who are way better than Goa Gil at what they do.
Don't get me wrong, people like Goa Gil and that's perfectly fine with me (at the end of the day, if it makes people dance, he must do something right), but don't excuse his horrible DJ-skills with godlike "real psychedelic" trackselection. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Posted : Dec 25, 2006 04:51
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who is a better artist, Jaia or Goa Gil?
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Dec 25, 2006 06:57
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On 2006-12-24 22:52, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
name 1 psychedelic dj please...
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Jun. That's one. Want more? Jahbo, Monno, Krell, Dennis The Menace and NASA. I've heard all of them play much better dark psychedelic DJ-sets than Goa Gil, and I am certain that there are many more psychedelic DJ's out there as well who are way better than Goa Gil at what they do.
Don't get me wrong, people like Goa Gil and that's perfectly fine with me (at the end of the day, if it makes people dance, he must do something right), but don't excuse his horrible DJ-skills with godlike "real psychedelic" trackselection.
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my mistake, i know those names u said r great, but i meant some one who plays the same time as gil, i know that dennis plays long sets, or so i´ve heard, but still cant compare it to playing all the party  . Thats what i meant masta, sorry 4 the confussion 
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 25, 2006 16:01
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On 2006-12-25 06:57, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
my mistake, i know those names u said r great, but i meant some one who plays the same time as gil, i know that dennis plays long sets, or so i´ve heard, but still cant compare it to playing all the party . Thats what i meant masta, sorry 4 the confussion
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I have a hard time understanding why the fact that Gil play long sets should make any difference or make him special. All it takes is enough music. Certantly not a talent. Especially not when all he do is play the same style of music with no variation whatsoever.
And those who say he is the true psychedelic dude. Give me a break. His trainwreck mixing only do one thing. Break the state of trance people SHOULD have been in. Just because you wear the "right" Batik clothes and say the "right" "spiritual" mumbo jumbo does not make you psychedelic or even a person who know what life is all about.
Guru's are mostly fraud
It's not difficault to play long sets and it require no talent. As I wrote earlier I have done it too and many other DJ's have too. He is not special at all. Just a man with a lot of cliche's coming out his mouth when he speak.
The guy is way overrated and put on a pedistal where he do not belong. But why am I not surprised in a scene where people worship all the non talented DJ's and amature artists as if they were gods.
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Posted : Dec 25, 2006 21:42
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so true... |
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rajatrao5
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Posted : Dec 25, 2006 22:53
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Also teo from Discovalley plays long psychedelic sets, before you realize you will be doing the most outrageous dance movements hehe |
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Dec 26, 2006 01:32
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On 2006-12-25 06:57, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
my mistake, i know those names u said r great, but i meant some one who plays the same time as gil, i know that dennis plays long sets, or so i´ve heard, but still cant compare it to playing all the party . Thats what i meant masta, sorry 4 the confussion
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I have a hard time understanding why the fact that Gil play long sets should make any difference or make him special. All it takes is enough music. Certantly not a talent. Especially not when all he do is play the same style of music with no variation whatsoever.
And those who say he is the true psychedelic dude. Give me a break. His trainwreck mixing only do one thing. Break the state of trance people SHOULD have been in. Just because you wear the "right" Batik clothes and say the "right" "spiritual" mumbo jumbo does not make you psychedelic or even a person who know what life is all about.
Guru's are mostly fraud
It's not difficault to play long sets and it require no talent. As I wrote earlier I have done it too and many other DJ's have too. He is not special at all. Just a man with a lot of cliche's coming out his mouth when he speak.
The guy is way overrated and put on a pedistal where he do not belong. But why am I not surprised in a scene where people worship all the non talented DJ's and amature artists as if they were gods.
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There is no point arguing with u, cuz its like arguing with a donkey man obviously i wont get you to understand my point, but i´ll tell u what... Play an 18 hours dj set, and lets see the result of it  please tell us how it went...
It really seems that u have a problem with this guy cuz he is getting a lot of atention, get over it man, if some kiddie candy raver wants 2 worship him, let him do so, if some one wants to put him in fake pedestals, let him do so... Live and let live... wise words
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 26, 2006 03:17
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On 2006-12-26 01:32, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
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On 2006-12-25 06:57, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:
my mistake, i know those names u said r great, but i meant some one who plays the same time as gil, i know that dennis plays long sets, or so i´ve heard, but still cant compare it to playing all the party . Thats what i meant masta, sorry 4 the confussion
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I have a hard time understanding why the fact that Gil play long sets should make any difference or make him special. All it takes is enough music. Certantly not a talent. Especially not when all he do is play the same style of music with no variation whatsoever.
And those who say he is the true psychedelic dude. Give me a break. His trainwreck mixing only do one thing. Break the state of trance people SHOULD have been in. Just because you wear the "right" Batik clothes and say the "right" "spiritual" mumbo jumbo does not make you psychedelic or even a person who know what life is all about.
Guru's are mostly fraud
It's not difficault to play long sets and it require no talent. As I wrote earlier I have done it too and many other DJ's have too. He is not special at all. Just a man with a lot of cliche's coming out his mouth when he speak.
The guy is way overrated and put on a pedistal where he do not belong. But why am I not surprised in a scene where people worship all the non talented DJ's and amature artists as if they were gods.
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There is no point arguing with u, cuz its like arguing with a donkey man obviously i wont get you to understand my point, but i´ll tell u what... Play an 18 hours dj set, and lets see the result of it please tell us how it went...
It really seems that u have a problem with this guy cuz he is getting a lot of atention, get over it man, if some kiddie candy raver wants 2 worship him, let him do so, if some one wants to put him in fake pedestals, let him do so... Live and let live... wise words
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Read my posts again (more carefully this time)and you'll see I have indeed played just as long sets as Mr. Gil. And the sets went very well thanks. With variated music too and way better mixing skills.
But I got no problem with Gil as a person. He can do what he want. I do have a problem with those who put him on a pedistal.
I do not think any "kiddy candy" ravers worship Gil. I suspect they worship Eskimo & Co.
Last. Please spare me the cheap comments like:
"It really seems that u have a problem with this guy cuz he is getting a lot of atention, get over it man"
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1. I am not jealous of Gil.
2. I do not have a problem with him as a person. He is indeed a nice bloke even though his views are a bit weird IMO.
3. Yes I do have a problem with his mixing skills and the way too many think it's ok to overpay a person who IMO should not be allowed to be called anything but a bedroom amature DJ.
Thats my point and so many other people's point in this thread.
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I have interviewed Gil many times, and here's my point of view:
there are 2 aspects to Gil - his ideology and his music.
Ideology: For those unfamiliar with Indian traditions, there exists a guru-disciple bond, where the guru is considered even more important than the parents, and an embodiment of God. Gil considers himself a naga baba, does puja (meditation of a kind) twice a day, and is right now packing bags to go to his once-in-four-years pilgrimage to Allahabad where guru's from various schools of thought come together to share ideas and a take a holy dip in the river ganga. He has been doing this since last 40 years, and has been properly initiated, one rung to another, into the path. That he chooses active meditation to be his path is his personal choice, and at best, an amazing experiment. So his insistence on psychedelic trance experience is not a forced conjecture to sell himself, but that dude lives it, every frickin day from the time before most of us were born. That is why you will see him light his incense-sticks and pray before he starts his set.
Music - Most Djs of today love to hate him, but having asked around, I figure it is mostly coz they realise they can never emulate him, in any way. So they focus on his mixing skills and track selection. Rah and shahar have already pointed out the probable reasons for his track selection, and as for DATed mixing, I asked him point-blank, and his answer was that I do not subscribe to the view that technology comes before the experience. For what I am doing, I have what I need. With all their mixing skills and latest gizmos, ask them to create what I have been creating for so many years.
On a personal note, he has become quite cranky over the last few years, doesnt hear well (40 years of boom boom and what'd you expect), and has not been invited to play in Goa even once since the last few years (even though he still comes to live there in winters). One might argue that he should have bowed out when he could, but there is the misnomer - this is his way, in life, and he has known none other. So I guess we will hear him spin right till the very end.
The whole point being, you may or may not agree with him and the things he does, but there can be no question about his commitment, perseverance, the ability to be still relevant, create dancefloor magic, initiate new people into the fold and command a high price, when every other person who listens to trance today wants to become a dj. |
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