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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 21:03
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On 2011-06-22 12:55, willsanquil wrote:
Also - just to play devil's advocate here...just because you spend a lot of time making something...doesn't inherently mean it's worth anything. Monetarily, anyways.
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I'll bite, if you are speaking of putting a dollar amount on time spent then you are 100% correct...BUT that's not what i was talking about when i said something about 30,000 dollars worth of music...Look at an average compilation, where artist get 250 dollars each for their track x 9 or 10 + say 200$ for Art plus 500$ mastering x 10 releases you are looking at a huge chunk of money...
...now, if each artist is willing to give away that one song, you get an amazing artist to make the artwork for free, for ARTS sake, then you get a sick mastering engineer who totally supports the artistic value of doing mastering for free to finish a product that's soul intention is spreading amazing high quality music for free, then you can very much so say that, THAT is extremely professional.....but donated instead of sold to the masses...so does that strip down all of the professionalism that was put in to the release because i dont accept money for it?
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 21:33
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From my experience "professional" is a very vague term in a psytrance context. If we take the word in the sense of making a living from creating music, most of the artists I know would be more like semi-professionals. They have normal jobs, full-time or part-time and put the maximum posiible effort and time into the music. For them it is a juggeling act between passion and the extra neccesary cash to get by. Many of them are aware that they will never make enough to fully sustain themeslves, unless there is a massive surge in interest in wierd music with spaceship and farting noises. Nevertheless, they are happy and proud when they get a release or a booking.
Anyhow maybe this is missing the point, in which case i apologize
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 21:41
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 22:32
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On 2011-06-22 21:03, cinderVOMIT wrote:
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On 2011-06-22 12:55, willsanquil wrote:
Also - just to play devil's advocate here...just because you spend a lot of time making something...doesn't inherently mean it's worth anything. Monetarily, anyways.
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I'll bite, if you are speaking of putting a dollar amount on time spent then you are 100% correct...BUT that's not what i was talking about when i said something about 30,000 dollars worth of music...Look at an average compilation, where artist get 250 dollars each for their track x 9 or 10 + say 200$ for Art plus 500$ mastering x 10 releases you are looking at a huge chunk of money...
...now, if each artist is willing to give away that one song, you get an amazing artist to make the artwork for free, for ARTS sake, then you get a sick mastering engineer who totally supports the artistic value of doing mastering for free to finish a product that's soul intention is spreading amazing high quality music for free, then you can very much so say that, THAT is extremely professional.....but donated instead of sold to the masses...so does that strip down all of the professionalism that was put in to the release because i dont accept money for it?
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Yes but also free track should be proffesional (high level of audio quality) also mastering and cover, just because you can get it for free, doesn't mean you should go for it and don't care about the quality.
This is what is missing in our scene, everything is made in a rush, the first 10 tracks that come in the dj or a label are putten in a cd, something is made quickly in photoshop, mastering is not a mastering engineer, it's a preset in Izotope Ozone 
Sometimes i am surprised from artists that are more then 10 years in the scene, when they send me a track for mastering with a massive clip or a limiter on the wav...
I've also noticed when the mastering makes the tracks sound worse then the original file! And label owners approve all this...
It's not about the money involved, it's about what? Common Sense maybe?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 22:42
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ehmmmmmm we drifted a bit away from the original topic which is:
Give something back to the artists or not?
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 23:06
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On 2011-06-22 22:42, Beat Agency wrote:
ehmmmmmm we drifted a bit away from the original topic which is:
Give something back to the artists or not?
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Yes
As far as this goes I have a clean conscience, as I have been buying psytrance/Goa since a long time, and still do, even digital releases, although I think Beatport is a rip off.
I love psy, from the bottom of my heart, a bit too much maybe - more than most people, enough to spend money on it that I dont have much of. Enough to write random reviews about albums I have bought for no purpose other than my passion for the sound. Many people I know however listen to psy casually, and maybe dont own any cds. Many people who are into psytrance unfortunatly do not care as deeply for the music - they like the festivals and vibes and so on, and as long as the music goes doof doof its fine. Unfortunate but true.
Often people are too distracted by the lights and their trip and so on to develop a must-buy relationship with the music. If they have to they can watch the clip on You tube or whatever. Sad but true for the artists, I honestly hope the situation will improve soon once the transition to digital media has fully grown out of its birth pains and worked out a system that is satisfactory to listeners ans artists.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 23, 2011 00:06
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On 2011-06-22 21:03, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I'll bite, if you are speaking of putting a dollar amount on time spent then you are 100% correct...BUT that's not what i was talking about when i said something about 30,000 dollars worth of music...Look at an average compilation, where artist get 250 dollars each for their track x 9 or 10 + say 200$ for Art plus 500$ mastering x 10 releases you are looking at a huge chunk of money...
...now, if each artist is willing to give away that one song, you get an amazing artist to make the artwork for free, for ARTS sake, then you get a sick mastering engineer who totally supports the artistic value of doing mastering for free to finish a product that's soul intention is spreading amazing high quality music for free, then you can very much so say that, THAT is extremely professional.....but donated instead of sold to the masses...so does that strip down all of the professionalism that was put in to the release because i dont accept money for it?
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On 2011-06-22 22:42, Beat Agency wrote:
ehmmmmmm we drifted a bit away from the original topic which is:
Give something back to the artists or not?
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@ Cinder:
I was not speaking to you directly, but more on a general concept of art = money. Lots of people complain about there not being enough artist compensation...I was simply stating that not all art is worth money. It has nothing to do with the level of quality being = to or even related to the amount of money being put into it or being charged for it. There are more and more and more musical artists every day and the barrier to entry gets lower and lower...and subsequently the money that *does* get spent on music gets spread around even more...
@ BA - Yes, to get back on topic I think we should totally give something back to the artists....but I think people should be realistic and not expect to get compensated in this scene...at least to the level that they could live off it. It'd be one thing if the parties (at least that I know of and have been to in the US) did anything but break even or if people were buying enough music but the truth is that it's a pipe dream for the vast majority of producers...
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 23, 2011 11:17
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Ok.
So imagine this scenario. Large festival, dance floor riocking, 1.30 am.
Then the music gets turned off, and everyone on the floor gets asked some questions:
Who is playing right now?
Is it a "Live" or a "DJ".
My theory is that a comparatively small percentage of festival goers would accurately answer these questions.
My point being - for many people, buying music and being informed about it is not a priority. They dont care much about the artists and dont even get to the point of asking themselves "should I give something back to the artists". It is simply not important enough for them.
Infact I would be willing to make the following bet:
If all psytrace artists instantly stopped making music - no more new music produced ever, it would take years and years for the "general trance public" at a festival to notice. Artist could simply play old tracks or someone elses, I dont think an overwhelming majority of people would notice or care, as long as the music keeps going.
Don´t underestimate the indifference of the average trancer.
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