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Give something back to the artists or not?
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saintcarl
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Posted : Jun 21, 2011 23:14
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On 2011-06-21 22:38, demoniac wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 20:26, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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Sorry but i don't agree with you on this one.
Buying cd's is a hobby, also listening the cd's is hobby, but making music should be proffesional, otherwise bad music happens 
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Well sorry to burst your bubble but bad music happens.
I always thought you started as an amateur and progress to being professional.
Based on the definition of a professional 99% of psytrance producers are not one, most likely including yourself.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 05:29
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On 2011-06-21 22:38, demoniac wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 20:26, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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Sorry but i don't agree with you on this one.
Buying cd's is a hobby, also listening the cd's is hobby, but making music should be proffesional, otherwise bad music happens
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so are you saying the production should be professional or that it should be a business in the regard of that being a professional service you provide for people? If you are referring to the quality of the production then, money has nothing to do with it...if you are referring to it as a professional service you provide for people for profit, then i don't want it...we all have our hobbies, some people buy cds as you stated, some people like to sing songs, some people make amazing artwork and then roll it up and put in the closet, and some people like to write music and share it with ppl who they feel are in tune with it.
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 05:40
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On 2011-06-21 23:14, saintcarl wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 22:38, demoniac wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 20:26, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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Sorry but i don't agree with you on this one.
Buying cd's is a hobby, also listening the cd's is hobby, but making music should be proffesional, otherwise bad music happens
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I always thought you started as an amateur and progress to being professional.
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Yes, you are right about this!
VA - Spiritual Science out now!
http://www.activemeditationmusic.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=703&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7 |
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 05:56
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On 2011-06-22 05:29, cinderVOMIT wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 22:38, demoniac wrote:
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On 2011-06-21 20:26, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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Sorry but i don't agree with you on this one.
Buying cd's is a hobby, also listening the cd's is hobby, but making music should be proffesional, otherwise bad music happens
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so are you saying the production should be professional or that it should be a business in the regard of that being a professional service you provide for people? If you are referring to the quality of the production then, money has nothing to do with it...if you are referring to it as a professional service you provide for people for profit, then i don't want it...we all have our hobbies, some people buy cds as you stated, some people like to sing songs, some people make amazing artwork and then roll it up and put in the closet, and some people like to write music and share it with ppl who they feel are in tune with it.
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Why not making money from art? What is so wrong with that?
Art is one of the best thing that can happen in your life, it makes your life beautifull, and there are people who dedicate all their time in making this, no matter if it's psy trance or painting or a mosaic or an automobile or whatever...
Also artists need tools for their work, the painter needs a paint and brushes and other stuff, artists that makes psy trance need computers, plugins, monitors, mixers, synths and all this, and this costs as everything.
I don't know is all this with people that think art should not be payed, i see the last few years that very good and talented musicians are forced to find another job because they are not receiving any income from the music they make. And i see tons and tons of releases with crap music.
You should be aware that the artist will not make the same quality of music if he can make music 24 hours without to be worried about bills and costs for this and that, and if he makes the music just in free time.
I don't say that i am proffesional or that you are not, i just say that in order for the high level of art to survive, specialy in this small scene today we must set a level of quality!
VA - Spiritual Science out now!
http://www.activemeditationmusic.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=703&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7 |
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 06:57
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different strokes, Boris
all good
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 07:48
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making art should never be professional. that's the point of art. art is non-nessacary energy channeled. everything else is survival.
to say that all music should be awesome and professional gives no one a chance to learn and create shit for creations sake. as long as you know that your shit is shit, but make it cause it's yours and your proud of making some real and unique should be enough.
hell, my music is shit. but i make it cause i like it, and it makes me happy to create.
and fuck, how many music genres have been made cause someone tried something new?
i think all of them….
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 08:35
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what happened to the good ol' days when an artist was just happy for a gig and blowjob under the decks?
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Pavel
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 09:16
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On 2011-06-22 08:35, V3NOM wrote:
what happened to the good ol' days when an artist was just happy for a gig and blowjob under the decks?
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HIV happened
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 12:13
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I guess people misunderstood the point. RELEASED music should be by professionals. UNRELEASED music can be done by ordinary Joe's.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 12:55
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The *only* difference between a professional and an amateur...is the professional gets paid.
Also - just to play devil's advocate here...just because you spend a lot of time making something...doesn't inherently mean it's worth anything. Monetarily, anyways.
Everyone wants to make music for a living...but not everyone has the requisite talent or appeal to do so. Unfortunate facts.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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moki
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 13:11
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amateurs get paid too. sometimes even a lot.
and professionals release for free and are even proud to do it nowadays. the whole division between amateurs and professionals is ridiculous these days.
if something is a piece of art does not depend on the fact if it brings money and how much. art is always art - it is done with the intention to express the inexpressible. if it sells or not depends only on the demand. sometimes two lines on a white paper are purchased for thousends of dollars, because people like to buy the soul inside of the art piece, the immaterial value behind the life of a particular person.
so only the demand for art is important. if the free psy trance music has a value of so and so thousends of dollars which are given for free , cannot be stated that clear. because it is only the demand and willingness to pay, what decides how much a work is worth. if nobody is willing to pay for that, then the problem can also be seen the other way round. no artistic value may be?
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 14:14
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On 2011-06-22 12:13, Beat Agency wrote:
I guess people misunderstood the point. RELEASED music should be by professionals. UNRELEASED music can be done by ordinary Joe's.
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AMEN
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 14:52
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When I see peoples on Isratrance who have the name in blue colourings, I know they are always very serious and 100% professional peoples with many skillz.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 15:48
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On 2011-06-22 12:13, Beat Agency wrote:
I guess people misunderstood the point. RELEASED music should be by professionals. UNRELEASED music can be done by ordinary Joe's.
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This distinction was good 5 years ago.
Today the boundaries between released and unreleased are vague...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 22, 2011 20:31
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