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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 16:46
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On 2011-06-15 13:56, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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And this sums up everything. Its the (cold) truth. There is a massive protest today in Athens, Greece today, due to our corrupted goverment insisting on enslaving the greek people to the IMF, in order for the very few rich layers of society to get richer and impose impossible taxation on the extremely many, poor layers of society in order to pay back the IMF loan.
People have been losing their jobs left right and centre. I bet you there are 0 people from Greece buying music today, not because they don't think the artists don't deserve some cash, but because people have less and less money to spend on paying their rent, let alone art.
Peace out.
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Being from a country which went through a similar situation I have always wondered:
Where were alll those massive protest when the goverment was diving in to debt and everything was subsidized?
People just complain when it hits their pockets and they dont seem to care at all for the future.
In fact this the psy scene is like the third world of the EDM:
- Lots of people - overpopulation
- Poor people - well in fact trance lovers arent poor, must of them just are cheap hippies
- Clueless people .- you can selll them a "live act" of a guy waving hands
- Corrupt promoters, labels, artist.- you know the story: ghosts parties, promoters no paying to artist, artist stealing music
- Totally unprofessional.- succesfull labels sunk in to oblivion
- Talent runaway.- the best artist of the scene have already migrated to techno.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 18:46
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On 2011-06-15 16:46, Login wrote:
- Talent runaway.- the best artist of the scene have already migrated to techno.
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They did not migrate to the Techno scene. They still play in the psytrance scene with music in between fullon and techno. Huge difference 
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 18:53
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On 2011-06-15 18:46, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 16:46, Login wrote:
- Talent runaway.- the best artist of the scene have already migrated to techno.
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They did not migrate to the Techno scene. They still play in the psytrance scene with music in between fullon and techno. Huge difference
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That for me will be the tier 2 artist, Tier 1 has almost completely migrated.
By this I mean: Tier 1: realeasing on top Techno labels. Tier 2.- releasing techno in their psytrance or ad hoc created label, for example trival vision or digital structures.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 18:58
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On 2011-06-15 18:46, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 16:46, Login wrote:
- Talent runaway.- the best artist of the scene have already migrated to techno.
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They did not migrate to the Techno scene. They still play in the psytrance scene with music in between fullon and techno. Huge difference
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That for me will be the tier 2 artist, Tier 1 has almost completely migrated.
By this I mean: Tier 1: realeasing on top Techno labels. Tier 2.- releasing techno in their psytrance or ad hoc created label, for example trival vision or digital structures.
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I totally agree but it's very few who release on top techno labels. Most release on labels connected to the psytrance scene  I haven't seen many artists from this scene break into the international techno or tech house scene.
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 19:31
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^ That's what I find interesting.
Speaking of that. Anybody know if Kino Oko has broken into the trance scene with his current music? (I mean club trance scene. At least in the US it's completely separate from anything psytrance related).
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 23:44
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^Yes, Kino Oko, amazing music! I wish him the best for wherever his talent takes him.
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supergroover
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Posted : Jun 16, 2011 00:44
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Now, I have my doubts about asking people to donate BEFORE they download a release (which is what happens at Bandcamp) but how exactly would you go about checking up on listeners a month after the fact to see if they liked the music enough to donate? Well, it's not impossible. Imagine every month of using a free music service you received an "invoice" with a list of all the music you downloaded along with any ratings or reviews you provided and an option to check boxes for releases you would like to pay for (with no pressure or guilt tripping). Seems to me like that would be much better than the current all-you-can-eat digital buffet... and that's just one idea 
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Great idea =)
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Posted : Jun 18, 2011 02:26
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On 2011-06-15 13:56, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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And this sums up everything. Its the (cold) truth. There is a massive protest today in Athens, Greece today, due to our corrupted goverment insisting on enslaving the greek people to the IMF, in order for the very few rich layers of society to get richer and impose impossible taxation on the extremely many, poor layers of society in order to pay back the IMF loan.
People have been losing their jobs left right and centre. I bet you there are 0 people from Greece buying music today, not because they don't think the artists don't deserve some cash, but because people have less and less money to spend on paying their rent, let alone art.
Peace out.
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Well, try to enjoy the money we are giving you... |
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Posted : Jun 18, 2011 02:56
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On 2011-06-15 13:56, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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And this sums up everything. Its the (cold) truth. There is a massive protest today in Athens, Greece today, due to our corrupted goverment insisting on enslaving the greek people to the IMF, in order for the very few rich layers of society to get richer and impose impossible taxation on the extremely many, poor layers of society in order to pay back the IMF loan.
People have been losing their jobs left right and centre. I bet you there are 0 people from Greece buying music today, not because they don't think the artists don't deserve some cash, but because people have less and less money to spend on paying their rent, let alone art.
Peace out.
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Well, try to enjoy the money we are giving you...
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lol
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Posted : Jun 18, 2011 09:48
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On 2011-06-15 18:58, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 18:53, Login wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 18:46, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-06-15 16:46, Login wrote:
- Talent runaway.- the best artist of the scene have already migrated to techno.
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They did not migrate to the Techno scene. They still play in the psytrance scene with music in between fullon and techno. Huge difference
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That for me will be the tier 2 artist, Tier 1 has almost completely migrated.
By this I mean: Tier 1: realeasing on top Techno labels. Tier 2.- releasing techno in their psytrance or ad hoc created label, for example trival vision or digital structures.
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I totally agree but it's very few who release on top techno labels. Most release on labels connected to the psytrance scene I haven't seen many artists from this scene break into the international techno or tech house scene.
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what about Extrawelt and Jurek ?? at least they really are in the Techno escene, and it's not some kind of house prog techno full on...
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Posted : Jun 20, 2011 10:48
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On 2011-06-14 04:05, PoM wrote:
sorry guys for the offtopic discussion but it s a real society problem ,ppl pirate music, artists pirate softwares..LOL and we are all broke, this world is fucked up.
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agree
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jun 20, 2011 11:50
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my answer is:
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Posted : Jun 21, 2011 15:21
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Dear people this is a music topic conerning giving money back to the artists or not.
Please lets just stay ontopic and not redirect the conversation into political discussions because we are getting offtopic.
I had to delete all the irrelevant posts.
Thanks for understanding and feel free to continue this very interesting discussion so far.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 21, 2011 20:26
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I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 21, 2011 22:38
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On 2011-06-21 20:26, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I've given roughly if you look at a per track basis of what artists will typically charge for tunes + artwork + mastering + hosting + promoting, about 30,000 dollars worth of material for FREE, and have never gotten a dime in return, but at the same time, i've never asked, nor expected anything...
...i view it as a service, and that one day the community will give back. I get to travel and meet lots of interesting people, and i know that thousands are enjoying the frequencies..i've got a good job that supports my family.
music is my hobby, not my job.
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Sorry but i don't agree with you on this one.
Buying cd's is a hobby, also listening the cd's is hobby, but making music should be proffesional, otherwise bad music happens
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