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Give something back to the artists or not?
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 14:15
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On 2011-06-14 12:33, Beat Agency wrote:
I don't think people are ready to embrace the truth and face their own conscience 
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Indeed,they just try to find excuses to explain and defend their actions and behavior.
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 16:42
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Nah, they are just being homo economicus: maxmize benefits, minimize costs.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 19:01
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Isnt that the capitalistic approach that Kras was critisizing before?
What a contradiction huh?
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 19:23
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On 2011-06-14 19:01, DETOX wrote:
Isnt that the capitalistic approach that Kras was critisizing before?
What a contradiction huh?
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As you may know this behavior isnt exclusive of individuals in capitalism. It is more prevalent and obvious in it but humans in many ways always deal with scarcity, so the maximize/minimize paradigm holds in other forms of economic organization. People still has to manage their time, effort, interest and energy.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 19:43
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look, i give massive props to all the artists, but point and fact it, i still don't have money to spend 15 bucks on an album. sorry…. gas is expensive these days. |
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Jacynth
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 22:48
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Hi to memberns,
music is very dark forest and bad now today and stupide. There is no goa anymore and serious good music. Hard is find music with no dark forest satan. Why? Because of money.
Artists geting older and becomer serious pepolen. Have children and house and car. If you young you can have fun with music and you dont care about moneny. If you older then you need moneny but no posibler to have it from music. So artist is doing other things and is no artist anymore.
it means that no time for artist to grow up and developer skills. Artist give up too early because no way to live from musica. So we have bad musica and satan and dark forest disaster.
Thnx for all members to read. |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jun 14, 2011 23:03
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On 2011-06-14 12:10, Upavas wrote:
Ektoplasm could indeed set up a pay and free button, the returning user could set up a paypal account that provides a one click function. I think if such a model would be set up in all free download sites it could mean a serious impact on the scene. True, there would still be many people who don't give a damn, i am sure there are people who would donate, and every bit helps. |
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I have put Paypal buttons on individual releases in the past (by request of the artists or labels). Some of these were even for charity causes. Either way, I don't think these buttons have ever been used much - or even at all. Let's be realistic here. At present, the amount of donations coming in are just covering costs associated with hosting. Adding some buttons will not cause this total to suddenly increase.
I don't think that people lack generosity or don't care about the music. In my view, the deficiencies are in how the system is designed... hence why I say that I have some work to do 
To look at a good example, Bandcamp has an interesting approach (free/set your own price/pay a specified amount). The problem is that Bandcamp is not an ecosystem; each artist or label is an island and this does not encourage the synergy you find at a site like mine. End result: good model, not a lot of traffic for the typical psytrance project. I suspect that an artist receiving 20,000 downloads through Bandcamp would likely enjoy a higher donation rate than they would with Ektoplazm by far... but of course no one there is getting that kind of traffic for psytrance and, in any case, only a small number (200? 500?) of downloads are free for the content provider (after that the artist must pay to let people download for free).
Now, I have my doubts about asking people to donate BEFORE they download a release (which is what happens at Bandcamp) but how exactly would you go about checking up on listeners a month after the fact to see if they liked the music enough to donate? Well, it's not impossible. Imagine every month of using a free music service you received an "invoice" with a list of all the music you downloaded along with any ratings or reviews you provided and an option to check boxes for releases you would like to pay for (with no pressure or guilt tripping). Seems to me like that would be much better than the current all-you-can-eat digital buffet... and that's just one idea 
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Upavas
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 03:50
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Imagine every month of using a free music service you received an "invoice" with a list of all the music you downloaded along with any ratings or reviews you provided and an option to check boxes for releases you would like to pay for (with no pressure or guilt tripping). Seems to me like that would be much better than the current all-you-can-eat digital buffet... and that's just one idea
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I think that's a great idea. Instead of whining that no one is interested in paying an artist for their music, you actually brought a constructive idea to the table.
One could even go about it that music that was previously downloaded should be rated, maybe with a paypal button or something next to it, that gives people an easy access to donating, before they can download new music.
The artists could be provided with ratings of their sound, which in itself is a useful thing imo.
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Pavel
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 09:25
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Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 11:25
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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I do not think it's Beating a dead horse to try to understand people's reasons. Once you understand people's mindset's you can meet them halfway.
And as I wrote earlier not all artists are so lucky to get offered bookings. Actually it's very very few artists that can even live off gigs these days.
I still believe there is a solution in the future. I am not talking about getting rich and fat of music but to get a little more support back from those who love the music.
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Jacynth
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 12:10
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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this is very unfortunatel but true. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 12:21
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 12:28
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On 2011-06-15 12:21, Colin OOOD wrote:
Beat Agency is correct about only a few acts being able to survive from gigs. Many acts at even big festivals get paid very little, if anything, and even transport costs are not always paid. Some acts get paid a lot though, and my impression is that most of the artist budget goes on the top 25% of the lineup, leaving very little for the rest.
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Not to forget the many last minute cancellations from the organizers.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 13:56
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On 2011-06-15 09:25, Pavel wrote:
Beating a dead horse...
The only way to live off the music in this scene is doing live gigs. Donations will not work due to us being greedy motherfuckers by nature and a fucked up economy in most of the places in the world today.
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And this sums up everything. Its the (cold) truth. There is a massive protest today in Athens, Greece today, due to our corrupted goverment insisting on enslaving the greek people to the IMF, in order for the very few rich layers of society to get richer and impose impossible taxation on the extremely many, poor layers of society in order to pay back the IMF loan.
People have been losing their jobs left right and centre. I bet you there are 0 people from Greece buying music today, not because they don't think the artists don't deserve some cash, but because people have less and less money to spend on paying their rent, let alone art.
Peace out.
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Jun 15, 2011 14:46
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On 2011-06-14 02:39, Basilisk wrote:
There is considerable room for improvement here. I hope to be able to do something about it in the future.
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Yes there is a lot of room for improvement in this situation.
I am planning something for the future as well.
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