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Getting High - The History Of LSD"Trance World
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 16:00
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Gutentag Pointy
Quote Pointy "And from my understanding the trance culture, is rooted in the profound changes of consciousness people experience when taking LSD, in the same way as the hippie movement was. "
Now, I was never a hippie - Im only 26 years old. However, from what I gather the hippie culture had its roots in the loss of trust in the system/government in general and a rebellion against all the old conservatism+ the hypocracy of society in general- Very much fuelled by the vietnam war, the draft and the meaningless of the cold war which forecasted a doomsday WWW III scenario in peoples minds....
This challenged the reality of things in the early 60ies and onward. Inspired to alternative lifestyles and such... which gave way to heavy experimentation of LSD...
Thereby saying, the hippies were rooted in the hate for the vietnam war and the hipocracy of society... or am I missing something ? 
Make Love - Not War
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 16:19
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@Krell
Sure there is many that view the hippy movement like that.
I personally belive thats not the whole truth.
The impact LSD had on the youth culture was immense.
To try to say that LSD use came from an insight into the hipocracy of the government is not true I belive.
The insights was very much brought forward by LSD use instead.
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"In goa 1990, people used to play underworld and sven vath and then the first goa tunes were born from that"
Sven Väth and underworld 1990???
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Pointy
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 16:34
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Yep Spindrift, I also believe that the insights where brought forth by the LSD usage and not the other way around.
It's quite obvious, isn't it.
Sorry Krell, here I don't see your logic at all. To say that the people first understood the hipocracy and then started taking LSD, just doesn't make sense.
One reason why the american government declared LSD as illegal was, that it seemed that everybody who took "that damn stuff" was against the war.
To be against the war was unpatriotic, therefore LSD was considered unpatriotic and dangerous for the establishment.
Did you actually watch the "Getting high" movie?
If not I think you should do. It is very interesting. Not made by some drug prophet, but by the discovery channel.
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 17:01
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To Pointy
Im going to watch it - I have to now hehe.
To Spindrift and Pointy.
We will not see eye to eye on this hippie thing.
Seems like I will always be in the opposition regarding crediting LSD for these important steps in human evolution.
Im sure you agree
*smiles*
Krell
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Purple
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 17:36
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Correction!
Sven Väth and underworld 1990???
Wherever did you get that idea?
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Sorry I meant 92/93 but you getz the idea.. before the recogniseable goa trance labels existed, it was slower stuff from the trance and techno scene and the odd goa trance band starting out. I living in Jersey in 1990 so am clueless about the parties in goa which were happening and but was into xl, rhythm to dance and harthouse stuff as well, that kind of thing.
But my mates played me tapes of the era we are talking about, and it's around 91 that the first recognisable 'proper trance' sound emerged.
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Purple
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Posted : Nov 6, 2004 18:02
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Yo Krell,
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If you think it sounds boring to go on and on about it, then why do you read it ? hehe. Perhaps we are just people with nothing better to do, watch out you dont get caught up in anything hehe:-)
Spending time on things you find boring, when you dont have to, doesnt make sence no. I agree.
Why does this sort of discussion bother you ? Im guessing, you think we are wasting our time and should be putting our minds to different things ? Hehe, your probably right. *goes shopping*
What bothers me is how involved this is getting when it doesn't have to be so intensely talked about. Acid changes your life, for the better in my experience, and you don't need music or parties to do it to , but it's great together for some people... that's it.
Mushrooms aren't that different to paper squares, and hell, dmt is in our spinal fluid and on the trees in s.america etc.. people have always taken it in different ways.. explain where you want the scene to go further with it? how has it grown into more than those wicked acid house parties? I love it all. |
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exotic
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Posted : Nov 7, 2004 18:56
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Well, drugs instill a sence of connection with many things dont they ? Food, sex, love, nature, music and so forth. Im sure, you would still be having sex, eating and enjoying nature without drugs. (even though drugs might highten your joy when doing so).
yes, but not as much, if i'm on them . i think u r slightly digressing frm the topic mate. i ws talking about how one feels connected or tunes in to the music more than sum1 who is not using (not abusing) psydrugs . psytones has discussed this in his topic lsd vs magic mushroom , goa vs psytrance .
bout the lsd bit i agree that the roots lie in the music but lsd was the major factor that spurred on the trance dance revolution.
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Dr. Panic
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 06:39
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if you want to see a timothy leary's documental ......see
Timothy Leary's Dead....
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 14:20
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it´s called "timothy leary´s last trip", my friend, and it´s indeed another very interesting documentation about, i repeat myself, OUR HISTORY AND CULTURE, even if you don´t do drugs at all. |
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 20:30
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In the years that I stopped getting high I lost only an interest in going to parties - not the music. Now I sit at home a lot and listen to whatever I want to hear disconnected yet content.
A good live act will still drag me out of my hermit's cave however...
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 21:31
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same 4 me, basilisk 
at home it´s much better than going to events where there is
neither spirituality (goa),
nor deep darkness (darkpsy),
nor experimentalism/ innovation (psybreaks/ industrialpsy/ ambient etc.).
the majority of the people is into a completely superficial music (i call it "music only 4 the body" or "psypop").
everything i love so much is obviously hated by the majority.
i´m not talking about dark vs light this time.
i´m talking about deep vs shallow.
it´s very sad but i think the former goa parties got conquered by the non-psychedelic/ non-spiritual people and therefore i stay at home (even though i´m missing those things sooo much).
no chance to win this unequal battle, since the proportion between psychedelic and "only party hedonist people" is extremely in favour of the last group...
no darkpsy, no ambient, no goa...
just groovy, minimal, housy, funky assshake pop (no 16th notes anymore, no challenging sounds, no mysticism, no blast, no weirdness).
and believe me, music has by far the greatest impact on the mood of the people and though on the whole atmosphere.
soon our parties will be no different from disco and girls will be put on, stars will rise, ego will achieve.
goa is dead.
PS: i´m only talking about south germany and i hope (and know) that it´s different elsewhere.
germany sucks - no energy, no spirit, no passion.
and i´m there to reconquest it with you as soon as there is a possibility of doing something
sorry 4 those off-topic words of disillusion and disappointment, but... |
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Krell
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Posted : Nov 8, 2004 22:26
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Yo Purple
Ill try to keep this short
Quote Purple "What bothers me is how involved this is getting when it doesn't have to be so intensely talked about. Acid changes your life, for the better in my experience, and you don't need music or parties to do it to , but it's great together for some people... that's it."
Well, I think one reason to why this gets to intensely talked about is that some of us really enjoy a good exchange of views and opinions - as long as its done in a sober and mutually respectfull manner.
However, you are right - It does not HAVE to be this intensely talked about, its just that when I for one read some things I feel obligated to state my perception of the matter and share it with people.
I like to break things down and analyze them, thats how I am. This makes me a very nit picky person, I dont do that to annoy people, I do it to learn. Learning by questioning others, and letting them question me.
Quote Purple "Mushrooms aren't that different to paper squares, and hell, dmt is in our spinal fluid and on the trees in s.america etc.. people have always taken it in different ways.. explain where you want the scene to go further with it? how has it grown into more than those wicked acid house parties? I love it all."
Where do I want our scene to go ? Im glad you asked.... I would actually like to see our scene become a stable and accepted part of the society in which we live. Id like for us to be able to lead our lives, the way we want to, in a way thats inspired by alternative ways of approachning life.
Many things in Psychedelic Trance music promote more than just plain partying... They promote a sence of spirituality for some, a sence of belonging for others - Maybe imagination ? What I would like to see is all these things come together, to create something lasting... an environment where we as people can be free, and lead our lives the way we want to...
Id like to see people have more empathy towards each other, more respect, a higher appreciation of art and to focus more on human evolution for instance. I envision a subculture that embodies these very things, and which can maybe be a role model for others to follow...
Like I said earlier, we all relate to music on a personal level.. and though I know the above is just a dream, I would like to think that it is about more than just partying when people come together (thereby saying, the scene is already more than just partying, its communicating here, creating music, listening to music, sharing views on different topics, networking and so forth)... I think its important, to shape this future and take responsibility.
I will be trying to realize the above mentioner dream for myself and my friends.
There, I hope you like that answer
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BrainStomer
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 23:34
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hey psyheads.... tks... was very glad to see the history of LSD and the samples that we keep hearing in the tracks...... if any more of such plz post em.
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Zombizoola
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Posted : Nov 9, 2004 23:57
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i got this documentry movie...very intersting one
Dr. Hoffman the one and only speaks there...
he tells the whole story of how he invent this amazing chemical  and how and why he took it 
anyway u got to see this one! 
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Pointy
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Posted : Nov 10, 2004 00:18
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Id like for us to be able to lead our lives, the way we want to, in a way thats inspired by alternative ways of approachning life.
Many things in Psychedelic Trance music promote more than just plain partying... They promote a sence of spirituality for some, a sence of belonging for others - Maybe imagination ? What I would like to see is all these things come together, to create something lasting... an environment where we as people can be free, and lead our lives the way we want to...
Id like to see people have more empathy towards each other, more respect, a higher appreciation of art and to focus more on human evolution for instance. I envision a subculture that embodies these very things, and which can maybe be a role model for others to follow...
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I just wanted to quote this, because I really liked it.
Nice one Krell 
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