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Freeflow
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 11:34
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Thnx, some really useful tips here
But i think that psychedelic trance music can be a little different from most other types of music in that it borrows most of its strength from repetition. In normal music too much is considered to be tedious, but in music that is written for people on dope it can be really powerful.
How do others think about this ?
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 12:56
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I think that the repeatng thing is what makes it bad - to me 
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 14:18
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I like a balance: a track in which a repeating but modulated motif, bassline or groove is backed up by a constantly changing background.
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 16:24
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i prefer repeating only in the power riffs |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 01:41
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On 2006-01-16 11:34, Boobytrip wrote:
Thnx, some really useful tips here
But i think that psychedelic trance music can be a little different from most other types of music in that it borrows most of its strength from repetition. In normal music too much is considered to be tedious, but in music that is written for people on dope it can be really powerful.
How do others think about this ?
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yes Boobytrip! thats the main idea, to have a steady foundation, but just like other types of music there is something that happens(hopefully)...
a movement of sounds, different timbres and so on.. different excitement through the track... tension and release is the main idea, its like jing and jang... like love and hate for something to be good, we need something that is less good(lets call it bad, which is all subjective)
like a soft part versus a hard part.
If something starts agressive but turns into something soft...i think the concept is the same.
have you noticed that a chaotic movement of sounds leading into a structure of order can have a great impact, or by just having no rhythm section at all but for bass&kick and lead and suddenly start a full rhythm section has almost the same impact, well there are many kinds of forms of this, but you understand what i mean.
To break a complex psychedelic track down into variables like "Verse, chorus verse" is sometimes difficult, (but popular psytrance often has this sort of structure just so it should be easy to listen to... i mean we dont want people to freak out and lose their sense of structure) !!! lets continue...
Manytimes there is a piece that holds sections together, making it possible to make changes that is sometimes a little out of context, but not necessary out of context, sometimes when there is a new section the old lead pays it a welcome just to make sure we dont forget what did happen before and for us to try to guess what might come after..
The freedom comes with this steady foundation, but it can´t be used too much for too long on its own, cause even the foundation gets boring without contrast and context. the sense of timing in music is so important, to find the right time to introduce a element can be crucial for a track..
anyway as you know this topic can be expanded and dicussed very much, i dont have any formal training in this area and im just speaking out of mind and listening experience...
i find it very interesting, cause this is a big part of music, sound design and use of effects is not really music, only tools to make music, i think we discuss this kind of topic to little... |
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 19:34
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very useful links...sort of "instructions" at least for me.
my opinion is that music is inside you...sound design and effects are simply the"instrument"of the music producer like a guitarist has the guitar the pianist the piano etc.
but i think that the music producer is more than a musician...he has to arrange everything...he is like the conductor of the orchestra using his skills to make the whole of the music that reaches our ears sound harmonical..
totally agree with boobytrip.
and New Era Scientist,man you are a poet or something??
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 23:28
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On 2006-01-17 01:41, New Era Scientist wrote:
i find it very interesting, cause this is a big part of music, sound design and use of effects is not really music, only tools to make music, i think we discuss this kind of topic to little...
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Amen... i think it deserves more discussion on this forum as well, because building musical tension can be done in other ways than by using a whoosh and a drumroll. That's what i like about some of the progressive tracks out there like some of the older stuff by Fuenf D ("on my side" for example) or Esterian Project ("sonnenblumenkerne" for example). In these tracks nothing special happens, but when something happens it's just enough and just at the right time. I expect that a lot of what you can do with buildups also depends on trackspeed, since most of these proggy tracks are written at a laidback 136-140 bpms
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 23:49
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Boobytrip - yeah 
130bpm and above can be very nice.
some trippy psychedelic tracks work very well in a slower tempo...
tempo and timbre goes together...
and to get those quirky psychedelic sounds a slower tempo can be great...
and to give drive to the track then a fast rhythm with maybe some up pitched hats will do it...
anyway i find arragement to be one of my weakest points... making twisted sounds is more my gem.
so arranging is something i really would like to get more involved with...
anyway maybe making some buildups and why not breaks in a non fixed tempo can add some real nice flavour...
i think its open for experiments...
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jan 18, 2006 13:13
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Arrangement isn't my best point either but i'm working on it by keeping an ear open for composition and arrangement techniques, in all styles of music.
One of the things that i really found helpful was finding out that it's important to pay attention to the relation between part-length and musical tension/boredom. If you build tracks with only 16-bar parts, some parts just sound too long and boring. Just leaving them out is sometimes not an option, because the part can be an integral part of the composition. Just making the part shorter can work perfectly though. If a part is too long i try 12 bars, 8 bars, sometimes 4 bars and most of the time one these bar-lengths is just right for the part.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 03:35
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Boobytrip - Thanks for a very good advice...
it did really inspire me... |
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 17:53
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just started reading the first article, awesome, very interesting, but will have to wait to finish it another time... almost 2am her in Aus, way too late. |
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