Tomos
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Posted : Nov 16, 2009 21:00:26
I don't play guitar, but everyone knows there are FX boxes/pedals that you can pach in to change the sound of your instrument;
Hendrix style Wah
Feeback
Dela
Tremolo
Chorus etc.
Almost the entire standard set of tools from any studio fx palette..
So, can I run a return channel from my soundcard through an FX pedal? I'm looking for some inexpensive fun toys to make unique sounds - can I use a guitar pedal as an external effect?
Would it be noisy or clean - ie would the recording have nasty hum or crackle? Or indeed, being designed for the tone of a guitar, would it have mad peaks or simply not work for sounds with different fundamentals?
Has anyone tried this? Are there any noteworthy effects / models / methods?
Are there specially made small/cheap fx boxes for the studio?
Can I build my own !?
Anyone got an audio demos - assuming any of this is possible!
Thanks guys
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 01:27
i´ve been patching through my POD XT, until recently when they released podfarm. and also the boss metal pedal, had no problems with hum or crackles.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2009 22:31
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On 2009-11-17 02:10, Tomos wrote:
I literally know nothing about electric guitars and their gadgets. Are they battery powered or do I need more power cables and extensions?
you can use either. it's probably a good idea to buy a rechargeable battery and/or an adapter, so you don't need to be constantly buying batteries.
there are hundreds of cheap guitar pedals, so if you are set on experimenting with them, why don't you just buy a few used and take it from there. you can probably pick up a couple for 30-50 euros. and if you don't like them, just sell them and get something else. you might lose a few euros, but you'll gain some experience and insight.
i have a few sitting here, but i haven't gotten around to running synths or stuff out of the box through them. maybe i can record something for you this week. anything in particular you'd be interested in hearing (i have mostly distortion pedals)?
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 09:40
i just love using guitar pedals. only problem is most of them are mono. as mentioned earlier you can find some realy cheap ones and they sound like crap. but good ones usually do great.
if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 12:07
Having played in heavy metal bands it is not the FX pedal that 100% gets the sound but also the amp and other pieces... it is damn expensive, my old kit including pedals cost me about $8-10KAU pluse my guitar which I custom made 7 string for $3,500US
All sold due to me developing athritis 6 years ago *cry*
Find an guitarist whose sound you like and google their equipment.
Most have done an article or web page at some point that will give you pretty good details of what equipment they use.
But to get good quality FX from pedals you will need to spend a lot of money, for example I love Kerry King of Slayer's wah solos and he uses the Dunlop DCR-1SR Crybaby Rack Wah which will set you back aroun $500-600US, all up he probably 11 pedalse which will be say anywhere up $6K+
On top of which you have the amps and cabinets and strings and guitars...
So like all things if you gonna bother spending the money save as much as possible and search for quality!
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Posted : Nov 18, 2009 17:18
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On top of which you have the amps and cabinets and strings and guitars...
i think you are missing the point. he's not a guitar player and he's not interested in putting together a rig. he just wants to run synths or stuff out of the box through some pedals to dirty them up.
sure, you can pay a good chunk of money for some boutique pedals. but that wouldn't make sense, since he's not a guitar player. for the kind of money boutique pedals go, you might as well just pick up some pre-amps or some rack effects. just because a pedal is cheap, doesn't mean it can't get you what you want in a particular context.
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 01:33
Septa has it right. I'm not a guitarist, just looking to run sounds and synths through them to get some interesting and unique sounds.
If anyone is willing to post examples, I really have no preference.. I'd just like a before and after of what can be achieved.
Distortion seems quite an obvious choice for effect, but I'd quite like to hear some wah, chorus, whatever really.. the more unique the better!
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 02:46
Septa,
i put that info there as a general comment on the use of guitar FX pedals for both guitars and other instruments.
i stand by what i said, you only ever get what you pay for even if you use it for a 303 or your virus or whatever!
You won't get the Jimi Hendrix wah out of a cheap wah pedal, you'll sound like shit no matter what you are using it for
anyway always like this clip
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 16:52
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i stand by what i said, you only ever get what you pay for even if you use it for a 303 or your virus or whatever!
You won't get the Jimi Hendrix wah out of a cheap wah pedal, you'll sound like shit no matter what you are using it for
i don't think that's entirely true. remember when entombed came out and so many people where going all gaga over their "buzzsaw" guitar tone. well, they didn't need full stacks or expensive pedals to achieve that sound. all they used was a boss hm-2 pedal (around 70 bucks) and small 40 watt peavey amp. it was all about cranking that amp all the way up and it produced this awesome tone that so many people loved and tried to emulate.
funny you bring 303 up. it was considered a pretty shitty real bass emulator when it came out, no? it wasn't until people took it and used in a different context that it became this worshiped little box that goes for 4 times as much as it was originally priced.
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 00:54
I love pedals, got 8 and keep expanding!
Use them all over, mainly dists and overdrives.
To alter your sound in new ways pedals can be very helpful and generally not so expensive.
They sound more natural then software dists and overdrives. Anything old with discrete components is worth checking out and can help warm up a newer digital synth a bit and give it some flair.
Specially old tube thingys work well on both synths and drums. Usually the noise is not to worry about when the pedal is used but they can be noisy when nothing passes thru it, if so just hit bypass.
Got myself a colorsound tonebender jumbo -74 along with a first edition ibanez tube screamer -81 the other day. They sound so sweet and will be heavily used in the future
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 03:46
Jeeeps! You learn something new every day!
Volume = Tone!
I wonder why they never taught that in my guitar lessons... maybe because volume DOEs NOT equal tone LOL
I guess like all those top musicians like just spends thousand of $$$ and days, nay years qorking to the perfect tone for their music when all they have to do is turn the volume on the amp up!
What a clever idea! LOL I hate you, you hate me, we are all so hap hap happy!
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 17:32
whatever. this thread is not about getting the perfect metal tone, so let's just leave it at this. a quick google search can yield many discussion on entombed's guitar tone and the technique of cranking up small amps for RECORDING guitars (and sticking them into cardboard boxes or building an enclosure out of various things around them). i would provide links, but virtually every site where such things are discussed is blocked at work. but i think you are savvy enough to find them yourself. i hope you do realize the difference in tone and equipment used for live shows, as opposed to in the studio.
and, sure, many guitarists get obsessive about their tone and spend a good chunk of money on it. they also "get" their perfect tone in isolation in their bedroom and when they add the bassist's "perfect" tone and the other guitarist's "perfect" tone, and loud drums, it all turns into "perfect" mush.
anyway, the point is to experiment and try things out with an open mind, without dismissing them based on someone else's opinions or price. of course in some cases you surely "get what you pay for." in others, that's not the case at all. but you are free to follow that mantra blindly. it's very good for the economy. it's also very good for the second-hand market. https://soundcloud.com/dead-end-dance https://soundcloud.com/shellbound
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