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Sun-Fm
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Posted : Apr 13, 2013 15:22:49
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klippel
Stereofeld
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Posted : Apr 13, 2013 16:10
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take your favrourite track, import it into your daw. try to recreate it completely with all elements and the whole arragement.
by doing this you will find what is important for the atmosphere you want and it will help you analysing and defining what you actually hear.
  http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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MuckyPuh
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Posted : Apr 17, 2013 21:24
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i agree with klippel - though it will be quite hard especialy for a beginner to try to clone the sound.
one tip for this type of music is to copy the midi of your bassline onto some synth - transpose it up for one oktave ... and play arround with the midis ... maybe delete the first B .. so you are left with 00BB instead of 0BBB ... or even make a fourth one - so you end up with BBBB ... so in the end you have a Arp pattern which follows the bassline ..
also what is used quite often is sidechain. either to make this notable pumping sound or to just make the element fit better in the mix ... (big saws take quite a lot of atention in the mix .. ) (in the gataka track it starts at 2:41)
you can also just send information to your sidechain with an aux channel .. then you still have your dry signal and can level out a nice balance.... i guess this would be called paralel sidechain?haha ..
though for the pumping sound its better to send the whole channel and dont have a dry signal left.
the intro voice of the gataka track ... this vibrating sound is also quite famous in this typ of music .. and you can apply it not just on voices - also on leads and pads etc ..
the most simple way would be to draw a fader automation in your DAW .. its like moving the fader up and down very fast ... you can either make it hard pumping by turning the fader all way down .. or just jump all the time from .. .lets say 100 % to 20 % .. then the fades are not so harsh ..
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like this more or less ... .. of course you can also use a gate or sidechain etc to achive this .. but try to make the automation yourself - then you have most possible freedom for changes .
then try out what happens if you further process this with delays reverbs etc ..
also try to make different bass patterns with and without changing the notes...
in morning fullon quite often the song starts with BBB on the same oktave...which appears deeper and faster but not so powerfull and agressive ... and then at some point after a small break maybe - the bass makes the impression of beeing much more powerfull and agressive though the same notes are played ..
this can be achieved by puting one of the 3 notes one oktave up ... like this more or less:
B B
K BB K B B
just play arround with this and you will find maaaany possabilitys of changing your bass without changing even the notes ....
also what is quite important is to figure out how to create uplifts and downlifts ... and with that i dont mean the whitenosie sweeps - but the generell musik, preparing for a break or preparing to build up energy for the climax ! which elements do what and how can you use that to let the energy build up or fall down !
and finaly .. yes . just listen to this typ of music as much as possible.... every now and then you will find some new technique or sound you need to figure out how it was done - and sometimes you even know it without trying it !
http://www.muckymusic.blogspot.de/
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Fungophago
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Posted : Apr 17, 2013 23:53
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just start. the first tracks wil sound like shit but you will improve very fast.
start with learning how to do kick and bass. after that learn how to use percussion.
in this style i'd suggest to go on with pads and diffrent ways to gate them, like sidechains and 0°phased autopans (in ableton). for leads just play with saw waves....
but thats just how i would do it. the most analytical method would be what klippel suggests. i do that also a lot, if theres some kind of element i want to learn i just listen to tracks were its used again and again and again....
in 90% of cases its just some saw wave weirdness...
but i'd say the most important thing is just to sit down and try 
cheers
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 00:52
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read 1 or 2 book on synthesis while you are it if you not familiar with it yet and experiment |
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Sun-Fm
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 13:07
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thanks guys... well i think i will start to try to copy one music i like and see what i can achieve, by the way what is the most scale used in full on morning ? and is there some help hint that you can gave me to full on morning bassline ? |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 13:57
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imo i dont think its best to imitate other artists/styles, seems that is what most ppl do and as a result almost all fullon morning artists' music sound like their from the same artist. same goes with all genres of music, one artist does something well and everyone tries to imitate. i understand learning individual production elements from other tracks, but regarding things like style, scales... instead of trying to replicate what others do,how bout take the time n work to develop your own sound/style, not someone elses, let the music come from within 
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Sun-Fm
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 14:01
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yhea i know i dont want to copy any other artist but i want to grow in this style of music so i think if i try to copy i will improve my skills and then make my music : ) |
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klippel
Stereofeld
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 14:06
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i did not recommed to copycat your favourite artist.
i recommended to analyse and rebuild a few tracks cause this process will ease the learning curve A LOT rather than startign with abstract techniques if you do not even have a clue about elements, arrangement and fomulas to creat depht, space, story, vibe and everything what basically makes up good music.
rebuilding is a good thing to get started. when you have learnt to walk properly, use your imagination to fly from there..
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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Sun-Fm
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 14:11
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yhea i will do it like that. well almost two years ago i made a full on morning track and it was good but now i actually know something more but i only have been doing psytrance and darktrance lately so i think i need to train a little in the morning department only that im not so used to produce full on morning yet but i want to start to get into it |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 14:19
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if hes starting from 0 i understand how could be useful training wheels, but sounds like he knows how to walk properly, im talking bout artists trying to walk a certain way,
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klippel
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 19:11
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each style has a different approach and flow that you can learn well by recreating. so coming from dark and masteing that one style does not mean you are good on melodic stuff directly.. of course if you know the basics and do well in making tracks you should try to find your own sound! no question, do not just make what all the others do just cause it works... just mentioning it helped me to get the key elements figured out in the beginning.
funny enough i always make tracks that have my kind of sound no matter what i try to create, if thats good or not i am not sure but what i want to say is, if you are a creative producer with a love for music your own vibe will come through anyway.. sort of.
anyway, happy tweaking and post your efforts in the workshop
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 20:56
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from the few psytrance producers i knew most didnnt listened any psytrance.. i always found it funny.. they just dont want to get influenced by other psy artists as much as possible .. it s kinda the opposite mentality , i guess that what contribued to make them succesfull to have their own sound , till they get imitated |
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Sun-Fm
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 01:57
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i want to make my own music with my touch not some copy ,for me dont listening to other artists its hard, i like music so...i get some ideas from listening to other artists and i think that at least a big part of them should have some musical references |
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metamorphosis music
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Posted : Apr 22, 2013 03:00
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i understands pom's point which i also mostly live by, less outside influence=less outside influence. neways what im trying to say bro is dont "try" or plan to make full on morning, dont try or plan to make anything, let the music make itself, if a song one day comes out full on morning than that whats it meant to be just my 2 cents
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