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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 19, 2012 01:39
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 19, 2012 02:35
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I remembered something that has helped me a lot... lowering certain frequencies...
what I like to do is boost a little the fundamental and then reduce the following harmonics near the mudzone (150-400hz)... of course values will depend on your bass note.
Sometimes taking away some of the rumble at those areas can give a "cleaner" sensation. I also take away low mids from the kick.
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Chemica
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Just reading all comments on this thread. Doesnt anybody hipass filter their bass?? I found that it makes a huge difference in shaping the bass sound. Some say u dont need to b hipassibg digital synths only analog. Imho I disagree. Only recently have i noticed how important the pitch of the kick is. The right kick certainly makes bass sound better. |
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Feb 21, 2012 17:43
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Only recently have i noticed how important the pitch of the kick is. The right kick certainly makes bass sound better.
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This is why many people make their own kicks, so they can have them in whatever key they like.
It is easier IMO to make a bass to suit a kick than a kick to suit the bass.
I feel that mos people high pass their bass in some manner, ranging from intense (48db/decade just below the fundamental, which makes the sound a bit boxy) to subtle (low shelf well below the fundamental). If you have a good listening platform you should be able to determine what you like best.
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Kryten
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 13:23
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So if I use and EQ anyway to cut the most high freqs and the lows (below the fundamental)...what would I need a HP filter for then?
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 15:02
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PoM - what do you mean by harmonics enhancers? are there characteristics you look for in saturators/overdrives/whatever?
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yeah i mean saturator to make the sound more compact ,thick and to cut more if possible . the thing is that not all the freqs have to be saturated the same,i always use a eq before saturation or distortion ,75% of the time it improve a lot the sound with choosing what part of the spectrum will be more or less saturated ,also 2,3 or 4 different saturators used subtely in serie can give me more thichkness and more similar result to a hardware chain ,than just using one heavily (yeah can rape a i7 just for a bassline..)
soneq have great low end (and high band) ! with the saturation used subtely |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 19:10
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On 2012-02-22 13:23, Kryten wrote:
So if I use and EQ anyway to cut the most high freqs and the lows (below the fundamental)...what would I need a HP filter for then?
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don't cut too much because you will have plastic thin sound. many people hipass fundamental frequencies on the bass, then they ask how to make phatt bass, because they have thin sound.
if you good set synth (amp envelope, filter envelope) + saturation, then you probably will not need any eq. it's a question of synth too, some need much of processing, some don't need anything
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 19:42
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What i want to say.
Im beginer near one year + - 3-4 months, but here maybe some help from noob.
For me how to say... I dont like quadrofuzz i cant do sweet sound with it, like i cant do bassline psy on the v-station and i dont knoow why
Lets call it "paradox"
With other synths im happy with it road.
Really im love use on bass:
1.Waves (Rbass, Bassrider)
2.Voxengo(Eq)
3.Ableton overdrive on higths and compressor.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 19:53
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On 2012-02-22 19:42, PsYSeKToR wrote:
1.Waves (Rbass, Bassrider)
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no no no. stop using bassrider. you don't need it believe me this vst automatically change volume on track. but when you one time choose a volume on bass note, then you dont need to do anything. you will have static volume. if you want to have different bvvolume on different notes then use velocity. Bassrider dont work like compressor its totally different thing. it is something like leveler, but you don't need leveler on bassline.
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Feb 22, 2012 21:14
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i always use a eq before saturation or distortion ,75% of the time it improve a lot the sound with choosing what part of the spectrum will be more or less saturated ,also 2,3 or 4 different saturators used subtely in serie can give me more thichkness and more similar result to a hardware chain ,than just using one heavily
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Great, thanks for the tip!
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Posted : Feb 23, 2012 15:59
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On 2012-02-22 19:42, PsYSeKToR wrote:
1.Waves (Rbass, Bassrider)
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no no no. stop using bassrider. you don't need it believe me this vst automatically change volume on track. but when you one time choose a volume on bass note, then you dont need to do anything. you will have static volume. if you want to have different bvvolume on different notes then use velocity. Bassrider dont work like compressor its totally different thing. it is something like leveler, but you don't need leveler on bassline.
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Feb 23, 2012 16:30
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Maybe you don't have the ears trained enough to know what to tweak to clean your bass.
Also take the kick into account. Maybe getting a better one can help.
I manage to dial great basses using just LP sawtooth on decent vst... eq, comp and distortion are just make up for an already pretty girl.
Start making an Ohmpa offbeat bassline and get it tight, then add the rest of the notes, you might need to readjust your envelope settings a little.
But there is no magic fx... i'd also like to advice you to fine tweak your env depth and filter decay since in this task 10 milliseconds can make the difference.
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Also, try making a cleanest bass possible, no dirty shit on it, just one very good sound source(Saw type Oscillator) going to a Low Pass Filter, control that Low Pass with an nice envelope, and then a final envelope to determine the length of the notes, did I mentioned FX? No. Maybe a tiny, tiny bit of EQ 3db max and Compression but only and only when you got a real good sound already, and be carefull to not use what you dont need(typical mistake, even for pro's sometimes)
So basically you should have a clean bass and mainly focus on your kick, your kick is the one that needs attention, coz if you get it right your bass then will stand out.
When you done and have a nice sounding combo, send both tracks to a group channel and apply saturation or distortion, QuadraFuzz on cubase or RedLight on studio one and you will be surprised with the sound, if you havent done so yet.
I'm not gonna talk about compression as it has already been mentioned many times here on the forum.
And one other thing, if you think you've tried quite a lot of stuff and you cant seem to get it right, remember ACOUSTICS!!!
The positioning of your speakers in relation to your ears and room is mega important, some rooms and set ups will make it IMPOSSIBLE to get a nice kick bass combo.
This issue is a comon psytrance producer problem and this is why I'm working extensively on my new VST "Kick N Bass Gel", Its starting to look and sound really good and hope it will help and spread among us.
All the best and dont forget to check older posts 2 because there are tons of nice posts with kick and bass tips!!!
Peace and light!!!
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Architekt
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Posted : Feb 23, 2012 16:41
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Can anyone confirm if this is true:
A sawtooth wave consists of both odd and even harmonics - for example a 100Hz bassline would have 100Hz, 200Hz, 300Hz etc. Basically that means that most of the sound is concentrated around these frequencies, not between them. So 110Hz - 190Hz shouldn't have much in it at all if its a clean sawtooth.
I was thinking you could boost the harmonic frequencies in an eq, to create a stronger bass, or equally cut the frequencies between harmonics. It shouldn't affect the 'body' of the bass, but it should tidy the edges of the body, so to speak. For example, boost 100Hz with a high Q (reasonably sharp spike), again at 200 and on. This way you enhance the signal:noise ratio, preserving the harmonics and not the noise in between.
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loki
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Posted : Feb 24, 2012 05:59
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Usually pick a harmonic or two to boost (or more commonly, cut). Harmonics in the 100-200hz range can either add punch or a nasty buzzing, depending on your synth and how you want it to sound.
This is why room treatment is so key - this is where nasty standing waves and room modes happen. With acoustic treatment, a lot of the guesswork in this range disappears; without it, moving your head an inch or two can drastically change the sound of your bass (by savagely boosting or cutting one of these harmonics.
Anyways, use a spectrum analyzer (high resolution) while you EQ to see where your harmonics lie - and help you to isolate frequencies of the first few harmonics.
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