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fruity question: only 4 send effects???
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:30
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XrTC
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:43
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well the thing is that i use 3 different reverbs in 3 of my send channels and 1 with a chorus, so almost every single sound i have makes use of them (some sounds use one reverb, some use two reverbs, some use reverb and chorus etc). therefore, i can't use the export cos i would have to do that for almost every sound i have... not to mention that i don't really like exporting sounds to wav before the track is finished cos i want to be able to tweak them easily during the process of making the track.
i think i am reaching a dead-end here..... 
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 15:44
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Ok i understood now what the problem is, but thockin had the solution for this already.
Get EnergyXT, load it as effect and then u can route other vst effects with it as u want.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 16:36
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I solved this problem differently - I do the rewiring for "send" effects so that there's a channel with a 100% wet value for the effect (delay, reverb, whatever you feel like using as a send) - this new channel I will now call "emulated send effect 1", and it will contain only the 'post' effects. With FL's mixer engine, you can wire to it as many channels as you want. Now, you have the 'wet' signal for the effect outputting through your normal mixer channel. The channels sent to it are not heard at all, BUT, in each one of them, you can set the value of "send 1 value" to 100%, but instead of using an effect on the send channel (hence designated "dry output 1"), you just let the signal go unaltered, because this is the signal prior to it being sent to "emulated send effect 1" you can tweak the volume to the send in order to select the dry/wet ratio, and in order to control the total volume of the channel (wet and dry included) is to set the volume on the original channel's volume.
You can use any amount of channels for the emulated send effects, and you will still use only that one send for dry output. One downside - you can only send a channel to one send effect (hence I called them "emulated sends" and not "sends"), requiring you to waste a bit more CPU power than with an unlimited send setup, but you still have 3 other send effects possible to use, so it's basically widening the bottleneck only. No external stuff needed. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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XrTC
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 17:59
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thanx for the feedback everyone...... much much appreciated!!! 
will have to try them out and see how it goes. i will let you know! 
btw, where can i find EnergyXT (website, more info about it)? it's the first time i heard about it..... 
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 18:26
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What are Send effects?
Ive seen them but i didnt understand whats their use... |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 29, 2005 18:39
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On 2005-01-29 16:36, kaz wrote:
I solved this problem differently - I do the rewiring for "send" effects so that there's a channel with a 100% wet value for the effect (delay, reverb, whatever you feel like using as a send) - this new channel I will now call "emulated send effect 1", and it will contain only the 'post' effects. With FL's mixer engine, you can wire to it as many channels as you want. Now, you have the 'wet' signal for the effect outputting through your normal mixer channel. The channels sent to it are not heard at all, BUT, in each one of them, you can set the value of "send 1 value" to 100%, but instead of using an effect on the send channel (hence designated "dry output 1"), you just let the signal go unaltered, because this is the signal prior to it being sent to "emulated send effect 1" you can tweak the volume to the send in order to select the dry/wet ratio, and in order to control the total volume of the channel (wet and dry included) is to set the volume on the original channel's volume.
You can use any amount of channels for the emulated send effects, and you will still use only that one send for dry output. One downside - you can only send a channel to one send effect (hence I called them "emulated sends" and not "sends"), requiring you to waste a bit more CPU power than with an unlimited send setup, but you still have 3 other send effects possible to use, so it's basically widening the bottleneck only. No external stuff needed.
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Thanks for this tip. This is a brilliant solution, very good 
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XrTC
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 01:24
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i was trying out EnergyXT and Senderella all afternoon and i finally made them both work to my needs. i am too tired to write down the "how-to" atm, but i promise i will get back to you (for anyone else interested) in a day or two max...
btw, kaz, if i got you right... let's say i have a sound on mixer track 2 (FX 2) and i want to use a series of effects in a send track (normally i would use Send 1). now, i leave Send 1 empty and i load the effects in let's say mixer track 16 (FX 16). i route the output of FX 2 to FX 16 and set the knob of Send 1 (on FX 2) to 100%. so i have so far a 100% clean (dry) sound (through Send 1) mixed with 100% altered (wet) sound (through FX 16). but now i use the volume fader of FX 16 the way i would normally use the knob of Send 1 on FX 2 to set the dry/wet ratio. am i correct?
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 11:21
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XrTC: you could do that and it'd work, and you could also change the values on the "send 1" knob on FX 2, or both, what matters is the Dry/Wet ratio and the total signal volume in this case, and you can change both - in this way of work you can work this in quite a few different ways. Changing the volume fader in the mixer level of FX 16 in your case would achieve a 100% dry signal +0-125% wet signal, and then you can change the "send 1 fader" and set it from 0-125% dry volume +0-125% wet signal volume, something you can change whever you route other channels to FX 16 according to the wet signal strength needed for each element using that emulated send effect.
I wouldn't use FX 16 for it though, just for comfortable use, you can use the fourth FX bank (effect channels 49-64) just for emulating send effects, and rename the mixer channels according to the effects in them (delay 1, delay 2... reverb 1, reverb 2... and so on).
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XrTC
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 15:10
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yeah FX 16 was just an example, i wouldn't use that either. in my normal use, FX 2 - FX 32 are assigned for each channel i have in the step sequencer and 49 - 64 are for the 'complicated' routings needed (combining channels etc) and 'general purpose' filters (for example HPF @ 250Hz for effects, or LPF @ 10KHz for kick/bass etc). now i know what to do with FX 33 - FX 48  lol. thanx a lot m8
stay tuned for the tips on eXT and Senderella
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fregle
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 16:07
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yeah, great thread... learned a lot... but isn't this a luxury problem?
Is there anyone here who remembers the time when u only had money for 1 stereo-reverb unit? I ask myself how come there are people who use 3 reverbs as sends all the time?! It's just not necessary... 2 I can understand.. a short one and a long one... Sometimes that can sound good combined, but u never combine 3 reverbs, that just sounds like shit... So the maximum reverbs u need as sends is 2... The rest are superfluous... Also, different long reverbs just make the final result strange, not homogenous, so I don't even see any reason to use more than 2 reverbs... Sometimes i use seperate reverbs on drums, but i don't use the sends for that...
I also always use a send for a stereotypical delay, but with that i'm still only at 3 sends...
Hmmm, ofcourse, sometimes u want to use a second delay-line on multiple tracks, or a chorus and then ur gonna run short fast...
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XrTC
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Posted : Jan 31, 2005 22:11
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lol FREGLE, it's alright
sometimes i also think that we should be able to get away with 4 sends, but given the number of sounds used in a psytrance track you are running short really fast (like you said). not to mention that inspiration and creativity should never be limited... by anything... at this time i felt that the 4 sends were limiting my creativity and that's why i started this thread.
about eXT and Senderella now. i downloaded them from these links:
Energy XT - http://www.xt-hq.com/beta/energyXTE.zip
Senderella - http://subminimal.org/plugins/senderella-v1.06.zip
for the rest of my 'tutorial' i will use an example for the sake of simplicity: let's say i have my bassline on mixer track 2 (FX 2) and i want to add a send effect that will cut the low freqs of my bass and then reverberate the remaining high freqs.
EnergyXT
i used the Effects version of eXT, which means you need to open it as a vst effect (in a mixer channel) and not as a vst instrument. open your mixer and add eXT in one of the insert effects slot. when u open eXT u see the main mixer window, with a "Master In" (this is the point where the signal enters eXT) and a "Master Out" (the point where the signal exits eXT and is free to follow the route of FLStudio's mixer and so on). right click somewhere between these two and add a "Mixer". double-click on the mixer and on the new window click "Edit" and "New Send" so that a send channel appears (with the number 1 just below Edit button). at this time be careful cos clicking on number 1 will turn off the send effect, so make sure it is lit. now, if you click on the double dash ( -- ) below number 1, you can drag your mouse up/down and set a value from 1-127. this is the volume (0-100%) of the send effect that will be mixed with your original signal. next, the effects that we will use (in our case a high pass filter and a reverb). right click on eXT's main mixer window again and choose your filter vst this time. once more for your reverb vst. so, you should have 5 icons by now (Master In, Mixer, FilterVST, ReverbVST, Master Out). right click on Master In > Audio out stereo > Mixer stereo. Right click on Mixer > Audio out > Master Out stereo. Right click again on Mixer > Send out 1 > FilterVST stereo. Right click on FilterVST > Audio out stereo > ReverbVST stereo. finally, Right click on ReverbVST > Audio out stereo > Master Out stereo. and you're done!
Senderella
i used the simplified version of this plugin (included in the zipped package), cos it's simple lol. really, Senderella is so much easier to use that eXT. take the "senderella_simplified.dll" file, copy it to your VstPlugins folder and rename it to "extra_send_1.dll". now load it as vst in first slot of FX 2 (again as insert effect). now you need to decide which other FX track you will use as send. let's choose FX 49. so, you go to FX 49 and load the same "extra_send_1" vst in the first slot, but you turn the "Mode" knob to "Return" this time. there you go, u splitted the original signal in two mixer tracks (FX 2 and FX 49). load the vst effects in FX 49 and use the "Amount" knob (0-100%) on either "extra_send_1" of FX 2 or FX 49 (it's the same) to set the dry/wet level. done! you can copy the original "senderella_simplified.dll" file in your VstPlugins directory as many times as you want, and by renaming these files to "extra_send_2", "extra_send_3" and so on, you can have as many extra send channels as you want...
phew, large post!
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 17:08
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i am bumping this up to say that since i tried eXT and Senderella, i have sticked with the Senderella solution. i am using it massively for over a month now and it helped my creativity as i can now use the fruity mixer to perform a lot more complex routings than before. for example, i split a signal, i pan it left-right, apply different series of effects in the signals then split one of them again etc etc etc... it's endless!! i even stopped using the built-in send effects!  (actually i am just kidding on this last part, but seriously the possibillities are A LOT more now...)
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psypox
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Posted : Mar 10, 2005 17:31
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On 2005-01-29 15:43, XrTC wrote:
not to mention that i don't really like exporting sounds to wav before the track is finished cos i want to be able to tweak them easily during the process of making the track.
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seriusly??? i make mixdown of every sound i have and run them all on clean tracks..
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 05:14
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yep, honestly!
i know, i have to start working that way as well... i am just bored even in thought that i will have to bounce my sounds to wav again, for every change i decide to make to them.
but, thinking seriously about it, the pros of working that way are stronger arguments than my lazyness. i guess.......
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