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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 17:44
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is it true that its difficult to change from fruity to cubase??
experiences?
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I went to the other side, and im not turning back (mainly because Cubase is smoother with hardware.)
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Sigh. There is no other side. They are different programmes that are usful for different things different things. , you know you can rewire fruity loops into cubase ? they are not competitors but designed to work in tandem.
I might put that as my signature line so i dont have to keep repeating it. |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 18:18
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What are you talking about man? I don't use it as rewire, so for me it is the other side and that's that. Ofcourse, there is the third option, but maybe everyone doesn't want do it that way. |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 18:31
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What are you talking about man? I don't use it as rewire, so for me it is the other side and that's that. Ofcourse, there is the third option, but maybe everyone doesn't want do it that way.
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I am talking about it is silly to compare the two programs as they have different strengths and weaknesses. there is no reason you should stop using one and start using the other.
Of course if you only wanted to do sequencing cubase is better, if you want to do live stuff fruity is better. It is ridiculous to see cubase and fruity loops as competitors. Although there are overlaps they are different programmes that are usful for differentthings . You know you can rewire fruity loops into cubase ? They are not competitors but work in tandem. |
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le barde
Electrypnose
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 19:01
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There is nothing to post, take 16bit sample load it into Fruity, render with any tweaks you like, i set all to none as you asked. Go to Sound Forge,
Open original sample + normalize it
Open Fruity rendered sample + normalize it
*so you can have same volume per both of samples
Open new file with 16bit / stereo / 44.1khz
Copy right channel of original sample into right side of new file
Copy right channel of Fruity renedered sample into left channel of new file.
*so one file will contain same channel of each sample (original and Fruity's) at this new wav file
Mix channel into channel now. You should see nothing on the screen if you done all right.
*process> channel converter, select stereo mix and check box near left channel invert, so both of track will be inverted to each other (so it will substract signals)
So as i've aid if you done it right you will see nothing on screen, this means all fine and Fruity able to export samples without changing them, but once you press play at Sound forge you will see at dB meter -70dB noise.
So it means Fruity does in fact colour the sound per rendering, so it is useless while we speak of clear results.
This is probably asnwers Lalala, the warm mix of Fruity, think if you have 40 stereo channels per psytrance track and each track has noise we just now found out, so at the end mix will be total mess and of course will sound warm since it has noise per channel, it will also be unprecise because noise changes from sample to sample, i don't even want to mention what heppen while you load 24bit sample into Fruity.
good luck, do not argue without to know how to do this test next time. Just ask how to substract signals. |
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i did the test exactly as you said.
and in wavelab, after substraction, i made a global analyse and also a sample comparison.
noise level = -oo (minus infinite)
sample comparaison ::: "the two samples are exactly the sames" (words of the wavelab analyse)
 
 
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 19:37
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On 2006-01-22 18:31, lalala wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 18:18, thail wrote:
What are you talking about man? I don't use it as rewire, so for me it is the other side and that's that. Ofcourse, there is the third option, but maybe everyone doesn't want do it that way.
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I am talking about it is silly to compare the two programs as they have different strengths and weaknesses. there is no reason you should stop using one and start using the other.
Of course if you only wanted to do sequencing cubase is better, if you want to do live stuff fruity is better.
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You dont get it, do ya? I feel more comfortable working with one sequencer, which is Cubase SX. So why the hell should i rewire it to FL? I don't want anything from FL, so i don't rewire it. I like to sequence in Cubase, so why the hell should i rewire it to FL?? The point is, i like the Cubase more as a sequencer... i don't the pattern based sequencer that FL has... so, you still think i, and everyone else should rewire it? Im not saying, that one must go this or that way, but maybe there are people who does want to go one way! So please, can you understand my point which is: "everyone should check Cubase SX out, and then choose, if they want to change to Cubase and leave FL, or stay with FL, OR REWIRE THE WHOLE SHIT. Get it?  |
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 19:48
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On 2006-01-22 18:31, lalala wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 18:18, thail wrote:
What are you talking about man? I don't use it as rewire, so for me it is the other side and that's that. Ofcourse, there is the third option, but maybe everyone doesn't want do it that way.
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I am talking about it is silly to compare the two programs as they have different strengths and weaknesses. there is no reason you should stop using one and start using the other.
Of course if you only wanted to do sequencing cubase is better, if you want to do live stuff fruity is better.
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You dont get it, do ya? I feel more comfortable working with one sequencer, which is Cubase SX. So why the hell should i rewire it to FL? I don't want anything from FL, so i don't rewire it. I like to sequence in Cubase, so why the hell should i rewire it to FL?? The point is, i like the Cubase more as a sequencer... i don't the pattern based sequencer that FL has... so, you still think i, and everyone else should rewire it? Im not saying, that one must go this or that way, but maybe there are people who does want to go one way! So please, can you understand my point which is: "everyone should check Cubase SX out, and then choose, if they want to change to Cubase and leave FL, or stay with FL, OR REWIRE THE WHOLE SHIT. Get it?
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 hahahahahah!!!!
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Dark_Dork
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 19:57
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You dont get it, do ya? I feel more comfortable working with one sequencer, which is Cubase SX. So why the hell should i rewire it to FL? I don't want anything from FL, so i don't rewire it. I like to sequence in Cubase, so why the hell should i rewire it to FL?? The point is, i like the Cubase more as a sequencer... i don't the pattern based sequencer that FL has... so, you still think i, and everyone else should rewire it? Im not saying, that one must go this or that way, but maybe there are people who does want to go one way! So please, can you understand my point which is: "everyone should check Cubase SX out, and then choose, if they want to change to Cubase and leave FL, or stay with FL, OR REWIRE THE WHOLE SHIT. Get it?
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I dont think YOU get it... He was just trying to make a point - FL is not the nemesis of Cubase, theres no reason to use just one program.
You can do whatever you want and use whatever you want (hell, even work with microsoft sound recorder) but keep in mind its not a "either this or that" situation... therefore Cubase is not the opposite or the other side of FL.
Thats all...
Dressed to kill you look so right... I am drunk with lust tonite. |
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 19:57
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On 2006-01-22 18:18, thail wrote:
What are you talking about man? I don't use it as rewire, so for me it is the other side and that's that. Ofcourse, there is the third option, but maybe everyone doesn't want do it that way.
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I am talking about it is silly to compare the two programs as they have different strengths and weaknesses. there is no reason you should stop using one and start using the other.
Of course if you only wanted to do sequencing cubase is better, if you want to do live stuff fruity is better.
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You dont get it, do ya? I feel more comfortable working with one sequencer, which is Cubase SX. So why the hell should i rewire it to FL? I don't want anything from FL, so i don't rewire it. I like to sequence in Cubase, so why the hell should i rewire it to FL?? The point is, i like the Cubase more as a sequencer... i don't the pattern based sequencer that FL has... so, you still think i, and everyone else should rewire it? Im not saying, that one must go this or that way, but maybe there are people who does want to go one way! So please, can you understand my point which is: "everyone should check Cubase SX out, and then choose, if they want to change to Cubase and leave FL, or stay with FL, OR REWIRE THE WHOLE SHIT. Get it?
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thail why do you become angry?
Because u know u do a big mistake, u know that fruity rocks in all situations, e.g use it as drum sampler as vsti in cubase and u will do ur phattest grooves ever in no time.
But u started here with ur 'I am pro, I use cubase!'-crap and know u can't admit that u are wrong in all points.
It is ok when u want to use one sequencer, then do it, but don't get angry if someone tells u how much possibilties u could have with fuity + sx.
I can't take any real musician serious who ever used fruity one time and says this is a toy/crap.
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:24
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Only reason why i replyed to this thread was, i think it's wise that everyone tries Cubase Sx if it happens to their cup of tea and they want to leave FL, or rewire it. I have nothing against fruity, i use it very often when doing tracks with my friends. I don't see why everyone is attacking me? Is it somehow wrong to only use Cubase?? It seems that you think all Cubase users are retards or something?? Can't i do my stuff in Cubase without being laughed at, and can't i recommend people to try Cubase if they yet haven't? And EYB, where did you get that "im a pro - i use cubase"? And when did i say it's crap?! Either you didn't get my point or you misunderstood my points. Geez.. |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:32
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Don't you see a little controversy here?
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Thats all...
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Ok, i guess i chose a wrong metaphor. Lets get it straight. "Everyone should see what's available on the market of sequencers and then choose what to use." (Either rewire or not)
And EYB: You seem to think that if i use Cubase, i think FL is a toy. That's wrong. I know it isn't.
Now i realy hope you got my point, cause i hate these internet debates.
And yes, i have a fucking bad day.
ps. Orange, maybe you should contain something to your messages, if you want somebody to take you serious. |
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:38
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Jo, sorry. Everything clear and accepted now 
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:47
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ps. Orange, maybe you should contain something to your messages, if you want somebody to take you serious.
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come on man i never make fun of you your post was just funny in a good way !
i think i allready have enouph posts on this topic for others to take me seriusly!
i think we all must spend more time making music than fight about what seq is better!!
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Aviad
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 20:59
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Odd situation then if you all get clean results while large groups of ppl made this test had noise, seems i shouldn't be bothered anymore by Fruity users, it is useless.
Proves nothing to noone! Unless someone take each of you into room to show you that. |
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 00:13
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You dont get it, do ya? I feel more comfortable working with one sequencer, which is Cubase SX. So why the hell should i rewire it to FL? I don't want anything from FL, so i don't rewire it. I like to sequence in Cubase, so why the hell should i rewire it to FL?? The point is, i like the Cubase more as a sequencer... i don't the pattern based sequencer that FL has... so, you still think i, and everyone else should rewire it? Im not saying, that one must go this or that way, but maybe there are people who does want to go one way! So please, can you understand my point which is: "everyone should check Cubase SX out, and then choose, if they want to change to Cubase and leave FL, or stay with FL, OR REWIRE THE WHOLE SHIT. Get it?
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Hey dude I hear decaf is pretty tasty too ya know,
Anyway I actually agree with you, if yoo just want to do sequencing then cubase is much better. But to me fruity loops is strong for its sound and its versatility. Fruity loops will allow you toi change the pitch/tempo randomiser etc all in less than a second - so thats what id lose out on if I only used cubase. However if you didnt do those things with fruity then it wont make any difference to you. I would say though anyone who just uses fruity as a sequencer is missing out on its most important functions and the things that m,ake it a really unique sound. I see fruity loops more as an instrument than a programme, as such it is unique and cannot be replaced.
I would also reccomend people use cubase sx3 but if they already use fruity loops that they use them together.
Of course it depends what you want to do .
It is ridiculous to see cubase and fruity loops as competitors. Although there are overlaps they are different programmes that are usful for differentthings . You know you can rewire fruity loops into cubase ? They are not competitors but work in tandem. |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 23, 2006 15:58
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Dat'z true unfortunately. |
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