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Saikofix
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 06:29
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HEY MAN, I USO FRUITY LOOPS, MELORIX USE IT, SMOSH FROM MEXICO USE IT, GALAXY OF MADNESS USE IT, SAVAGE SCREAM USE IT, HIKURINC USE IT...
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 08:05
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On 2006-01-21 04:46, diskOtek wrote:
thou it makes more sense to start from fruity than from cubase lalala!ur the exception! 
is it true that its difficult to change from fruity to cubase??
experiences?
for me it kind was and many people tell me so!things like piano roll alot different!
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Well fruity loops didnt exist when i started out. But seriously this talk of swapping is weird. It ls like saying im swapping my ford escort for speed boat, although they ovellap they do different things well and compliment each other perfectltly.
Can you really imagine using cubases midi functions live ???????? nightmareeeeeeee.
Can you really imagine recording an entire orchestra into fruity loops nightmaaaaarrrreeeee. |
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Rishi
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 10:01
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The big established seq's like logic and cubase dont have nothing much new to invent and proove , "newer" seq's like reason , fruity , need to prove a little extra to get the crowds using them . New features pop up , and soon the outcome will be the same , coming from logic or renoise .. Whats easy and what is not is up to each individual . i started with trackers , switched to reason and then to cubase , 3 totally different ways of working . But what i really was looking for, was the easiest way to reproduce the sounds inside my head . And thats what i think all worry or should worry about .
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le barde
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 14:13
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yep... still waiting a firewire connexion directly plugged in the brain to think the music and being written in the software |
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Aviad
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 23:33
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EYB, to test whether Cubase colouring the sound after rendering or not, just load sample, export it at same bit depth / sample rate as original. Substract rendered sample from original sample using Sound Forge, Wavelab or any other wave editor which allows you to special paste. If you get nothing once you normalize result of substruction then there is no colouring if there is then surely Cubase colour the sound per rendering.
This is really simple!
From this test you will see Cubase colour nothing, on contrary Fruity Producer does. It adds some noise to nominal singal, maybe it has something to do with 32bit internal processing and it's unprecise dithering but i don't know. At the end you get less clearer sound from Fruity Producer, you may like it or not but if you want clear signal then you should use software which leaves the signal untouched per rendering, thus Fruity Producer won't be the right answer while Cubase will.
There are mixers from german company called Behringer Eurorack, these mixers have great amount of analogue noise, probably because of their "bad design" at electricity circles but again if you like this noise then use Behringer hardware mixer if you want clearness then use Sound Craft's or Yamaha's which are far much more expensive. |
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orange
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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 23:50
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i did that and i found no difference whatsoever!
if in fl export u use dithering its normal to have this noise!
uncheck that option and you are away!
i think its time to stop all this 'the 1 is better then the other' cos even iff we prove that fl has noisyer sample rendering engine i still will use it and all the others will do to !
im happy with the sound of my mixes so if fl adds noize it sounds nice to !
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Get-a-fix
Getafix
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 12:38
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Ok i think instead of bashing fruity loops all the users who are using it should give tips on how to get the best sound out of it..
1) If you export at 32 bit wav with sync depth 256 you get the best results..
2) Using Waves or other comparable professional plugins instead of the built-in fruity one's helps get better sound as well..
3) As mentioned before use it with cubase to get the best out of it..
someone else take over!
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Aviad
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 13:42
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It is not bashing it is facts, results of test many done. Orange Atropa probably done something wrong in the test so he got wrong results. Dithering was unchecked by the way, well there was no need in dithering since sample we used was 16bit or it's applied even if the sample 16bit?
You take it as bashing then do what ever you want just some wanted facts in here they got these, the ones who escape reality or the ones who enjoy unwanted noise can continue to work with this application. It is not about Cubase versus other, any other software have no noise per rendering, Traction, Logic, Sonar, Project 5, Cubase, Audition, Digital Performer and even Buzz which is free for those who compare FL versus Cubase price. |
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 13:52
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how can i did something wronge and have good resoltes ??
its more obvious you did something wronge and you got noise e??
i never found any anwanted noise in my exports i work in cubase also and didnt find any issues there too !
please post your 2 different exports here so we can hear the difference too!
orange
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Aviad
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 15:07
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Because you don't know how to substract signals!
There is nothing to post, take 16bit sample load it into Fruity, render with any tweaks you like, i set all to none as you asked. Go to Sound Forge,
Open original sample + normalize it
Open Fruity rendered sample + normalize it
*so you can have same volume per both of samples
Open new file with 16bit / stereo / 44.1khz
Copy right channel of original sample into right side of new file
Copy right channel of Fruity renedered sample into left channel of new file.
*so one file will contain same channel of each sample (original and Fruity's) at this new wav file
Mix channel into channel now. You should see nothing on the screen if you done all right.
*process> channel converter, select stereo mix and check box near left channel invert, so both of track will be inverted to each other (so it will substract signals)
So as i've aid if you done it right you will see nothing on screen, this means all fine and Fruity able to export samples without changing them, but once you press play at Sound forge you will see at dB meter -70dB noise.
So it means Fruity does in fact colour the sound per rendering, so it is useless while we speak of clear results.
This is probably asnwers Lalala, the warm mix of Fruity, think if you have 40 stereo channels per psytrance track and each track has noise we just now found out, so at the end mix will be total mess and of course will sound warm since it has noise per channel, it will also be unprecise because noise changes from sample to sample, i don't even want to mention what heppen while you load 24bit sample into Fruity.
good luck, do not argue without to know how to do this test next time. Just ask how to substract signals. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 15:41
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Aviad there is no noise
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 15:58
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lalala
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 16:11
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On 2006-01-22 15:07, Aviad wrote:
This is probably asnwers Lalala, the warm mix of Fruity, think if you have 40 stereo channels per psytrance track and each track has noise we just now found out, so at the end mix will be total mess and of course will sound warm since it has noise per channel, it will also be unprecise because noise changes from sample to sample, i don't even want to mention what heppen while you load 24bit sample into Fruity.
good luck, do not argue without to know how to do this test next time. Just ask how to substract signals.
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Interesting I will give this a try.
a couple of points though. Because the exporting an audio file adds -70 db of noise does not necessarily mean it add it to each track within the program when its running - it may be purely a rendering issue.
I have run many tracks simoultaneously in fruity and the noise build up you hint at is not apparent.
Perhaps you a right, perhaps fruity does colour the sound a bit - in a way i like ! I always felt it was a program that sounds almost analogue. now its trying to be a virtual studio as well, but its got a long way to go before it reaches cubases/logic/protools etc in this respect. I dislike fruities sequencer and editing large audio files is still tricky, whereas in cubase its a breeze.
Anyway -70 db is unnoticable and well below the audible threshold, and it doesnt seem ,as you say, to build up as you add tracks, or if it does its not white noise/distortion, and fruity still has applications that cubase does not. it allows you to radically change the sound of a piece on the fly and is extremely flexible, very useful as a live tool, which easily makes it waorthwhile program even if it isnt perfectly clean.
Again a "competition" between fruity loops and multitrackers is silly - at the moment.
Cubase have had many years to perfect their multitracking virtual studio technology and have produced something really excellent in this respect. Fruity have only just started trying to turn their product into a multitracker studio too so have less experience.
However fruity have really amazing programmers who create a very intuitive and user friendly interface and an outstanding sound (to my ears !) so maybe in the future talks of competition between fruity and cubase will be more relevant to me, but not yet. |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 16:44
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is it true that its difficult to change from fruity to cubase??
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It's a pain, but i think everyone should try and see what's in the other side.(Especially before saying bad things about Cubase). I went to the other side, and im not turning back (mainly because Cubase is smoother with hardware.) |
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thail
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Posted : Jan 22, 2006 17:20
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On 2006-01-21 06:29, Saikofix wrote:
HEY MAN, I USO FRUITY LOOPS, MELORIX USE IT, SMOSH FROM MEXICO USE IT, GALAXY OF MADNESS USE IT, SAVAGE SCREAM USE IT, HIKURINC USE IT...
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they use caps lock too? |
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