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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 11:45
see i have a overlookin point:people are puttin genre's in musik(psychedelik): for me musik can be divided into like lets say in starter musik(proggy)say from 11:at night to 2am - then frm 2 till 4-5 in the morning killer night musik(dark) : then sunrise and then morning musik(full on) as i see it: for me: is dark night musik: its starting point i guess came say after/at/before 2000 with lots of artists making this kind of night musik at high bpm rate:my question or problem is that lets say 6-7-8 (and ofcourse earliear:) years ago musik was powerfull : it had some kind of supernatural power in it: now days i dont feel any kind of power : where has it gone : will it come back: i hope it does: as i see it : musik was leading or progressin as time went by : now it seems stagnented: it should be ever flowin : like a mountain stream/river : with fresh sounds: i hope that the future of thismusik would be more brighter:and will lead us some place: i hope and pray
Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 15:05
you dont need to pray, better buy the music which fits with your taste and dont buy the music which does not.
in times where every release is beeing spread around in the internet each real cent you put into a label/artist is very powerfull.

i dont want to make this a fullon-superstar-discussion, an mp3 discussion or anything else we discussed 1000 times here, i just want to point out that everything is in our hands, we are NOT passive.


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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 16:17
wat abouts dark morning tunes?
i love them btw..
u play at night?
but it's morning stuff...

mm...hmm...mm
anyway, music for me, it becomes better and better as the time goes by...of course there are those classics that you still need to play and will always do, but due to technology making music have reached higher levels..

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Posted : Jun 7, 2006 21:42
@ Kitnam : bro : i'm not talkin about listen to musik at home : i'm talkin bout when a person is infront of a big ass system in a big party/festival : earlier the vibes in the raves were beautifull : everyone used to become one singular entity : musik was the reason : i'm not saying that now days this does not happen : but the beautifull collective conciousness has kind off diminished or faded somehow : its more like everyone for himself : only the musik can bring us together : so thats why i said that : u talking about mp3 mafia and : buyin cd : to help the artist: so he can get the money and buy better hardware , so he can come up with better musik : i agree with that : but thats not the point : the point is : kill the commercial aspect in musik and bring in the supernatural energy : ok : if the artists put in time and effort, it automatically gets converted into energy: every hard workin artist will do that : but if he/she(artists) wants to bring out some musik which has some ower: then there is only one way:to get in touch with the supernatural and then somehow install it into his/hers musik:
example : say if a person goes up high into a mountain : finds a cave : lights a fire and sits infront of the fire : meditating, telling the fire i will give you(the fire) everything i have, my breath, my food, .. my everything: but i will not leave untill u give me a position on Level 2: eventually the fire will give you something which you cannot even dream off,in the spiritual sense: as god cannot refuse his children,once they are in front of him, he will grant them any wish: so: Maybe it will take 6 months : maybe 1 year : maybe more : but eventually once you come out of that cave you will possess a power beyond anything : and that can be used in makin some kick ass powerfull musik : maybe : may be : Ok i agree that everything is in our hands : but we can take "help" and improve the way we make musik in this way. so i want more artists to come up with musik which will blossom into something so beautifull : that everyone who hears it will feel its beauty and warmth : and then all the souls dancin to the musik will become one : a singularity : and that is my point.
Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 8, 2006 11:04
@minus
i enjoy your words. creating and finding spiritual power in places like the lost caves of himalaya, the wooden kwoons of china or on the islands of hope is very easy.

but creating mentaly and creativity power in the alldays life, between the alldays problems connected in the usual citylife, where you need to work and pay for your flat and equitment isnt not as easy. its not as easy to see the eternity and connection between all things if you are stressed in the supermarket or your have to defend against your fellow-worker who trys to manipulate all people around him. seeing the spitituality surrounding us in this alldays-situations is the real art in my eyes, i respect the monks and can imagine how they feel but they have a different surrounding area where they are able to concentrate very easy.

this by the way...

the situations on partys, yes sometimes is has changed. i see it in this way: the artists give the crowd, what the crowd gives the artists, what the artists give the crowd, what the crowd give...
circle... everything is as how want to have it.



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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 20:47
@kitnam:when you talk about the everyday so called problems, you still talking about the materialistic things in life : not the spiritual part of you : how can a man so immensly involved with his everyday "problems" have any kind of inclination with his spiritual side : meanin that all these problems in everyday life have nothing to do with the spirituall power that we can attain. its like the 2 side of the coin : the coin is one but has 2 side:
all i want is for the musik to be ass magically beautifull it was some time back : it was like : each and every trak you heard was awesome/amazingly woooo : nowdays i hardly go wooo anymore : i dont know maybe its just me : after all these years of listenin and understandin the beats : maybe i have left the outer cloud and gone deeper inside the core : maybe its the influx of something else. all i want is it to come back/forward to the same/higher level as it was earlier : all the new hardware and production quality will only give it an advantage: but the frame of mind at which the artist constructs the trak:needs to be hightened : the protraition of their vision has to be crystal clear : so others can see and feel what they(the artists) are conveyin to us : thats it : i dont know how it should be done : but it has to be done....somehow or the other : there are still a few who are tryin real hard and doing it : but we need more : so the musik will reach the level where it was heading : thats it
Spasm


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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 21:11
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6-7-8 (and ofcourse earliear:) years ago musik was powerfull : it had some kind of supernatural power in it: now days i dont feel any kind of power : where has it gone : will it come back: i hope it does: as i see it : musik was leading or progressin as time went by : now it seems stagnented



Well, if I understand what you say, you probably mean in quality of the sound that comes out of each artist.
I agree that before artists somehow were more concentrated, and dedicated much more hard work on each track.
But there is a reason for that, first of all, if you wanted to be a genuine trance artist that would take much of your money, and dedication, since you had to buy for yourself all the equipment, machines and stuff, who were much more expensive those days, and required REALLY interested people.

So the were much less artists then nowadays where anyone with some VST's and a (not that hard to find) fast computer some tricks and that's it.
There is much less passion imo.

Plus, 6-7-or 8 year ago the business was really good.
Each track was expensive, and realeasing records was a profitable business.
It is not anymore.

cheers
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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 21:31
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I agree that before artists somehow were more concentrated, and dedicated much more hard work on each track.

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what does vst's or hardware have to do with the "concentration" of the artists : as you put it yourself: its just that the new artists have to put in much more effort and time and hard hard work :
Spasm


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Posted : Jun 14, 2006 22:02
well before you had to BUY machines to produce anything decent.
Now is cheaper and easier.
So now just about anyone can pull out a trance track with much less effort.

When i say concentration I mean most tracks were themselves very dificult to produce, you had to do it all on midi with machines or sample them with samplers (whatever).

Dont you find it a but diferent from using a plugin that does just the same?
I do.

What i mean is they were more concentrated on each track, and giving them some extra special flavour.


Nowadays most music sounds samy, and to be really good, yeah you have to really do some hard work.
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