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aciduss
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Posted : Jul 5, 2010 18:04:49
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I need your advice to speed up the process of creating the tune's core and then creating the flow and structure needed for the whole track.
Any special tips or personal ideas you use would be helpful, thanks.
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Nectarios
Martian Arts
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Posted : Jul 5, 2010 18:09
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Don't speed the process up and simply take your time.
To make a more elaborate point, it is the process of making the tune that I love the most, not listening to the finished track.
Its a very subjective and tricky issue, and it also wildly depends on whether your inspiration juices are running high.
Generally speaking, the more you take your time/spend endless hours of producing, the better the finished track will sound, musically and engineering wise.
Peace out.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 5, 2010 22:57
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For me it comes down to a combination of practice, time, a little bit of restraint, oh yeah and more time.
Try not to listen to the same loop over and over, even if it doesn't sound particularly great. If you're hitting a brick wall move to something else and keep your workflow moving and fresh.
A common trap for me is endlessly tweaking kick/bass interaction yet not writing any actual music. I find that moving to percussion or sound design here results in a more productive session as well as being much less frustrating.
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orange
Fat Data
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 03:41
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Mad Piper
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 10:13
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I try escape from the loop as soon as possible.
I get my bass, percussion sorted and start arranging... Otherwise I get stuck in the loop, tweaking every little sound with out making any progress. |
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supergroover
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 11:01
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A track a never finished...
If you are fairly happy with your first loop. Just try to scatter the sounds over a 64 bar loop with a bit of a build and work towards a break. Than continue through the timeline.
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ZenMind
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 12:02
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What i do is i create an intro, something that connects to my state of mind, sometimes a simple drone. This will give the motto for the kick and bass (hard kick, softer, high pitched bass or low etc), wich should be the first thing to make since its the foundation of the track.
Some people make a killer loop right away and build their track around it, i prefer not to condition the creative process so i build it step by step listening to the sounds and arranging them in a logical pattern meaning in a way that connects feeling and musical sense. I do get stuck from time to time in loops and i f....g hate it, i usually fight this by concentrating on percussion so i extend the track a few bars and work on rithm. Almost every time wile deciding on the ritmics the synth pattern will reveal it self.
To speed up the process i concentrate on the actual building of the patterns and worry less with technical issues like making it sound crystal clear every step of the track. To avoid over doing compression and equalization i spend more time making the sounds tweaking the synths to fit the track, if a sound needs to much equalization then ditch it, its electronic music so make it sound good from the source. I also use a quick decision system, if it doesn't fit i dont waste time i delete it and remake it, wasting a precious hour equalizing or making a bass or a single loop in the creative part of the process will only block the work flow, technical issues have their place after you finish your track (of course try to make a clean track from the start by applying the strictly necessary eq to help fitting the elements). My point here is if i dont know yet what my creation will be why condition it to the technical elements? After i finish the track i will work on the spicy stuff, more panning, tube saturation here and there, a bit more compression over here, send this synth more to the back, take reverb out of this one and put more on the other, so on and so on...
To really speed up the process learn all the basics of mixing, you will find that that is the only thing getting in your way, if you get a good understanding of it then you will be able to concentrate more on creating.
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 14:28
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here is an advice if you get really stuck. start another track in the same key and bpm as your old track start working up the track till, let's say 3mins then merge the track with your old one and keep just the best of both tracks. repeat the process until you are happy with the length of your track.
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Medea
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 15:03
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On 2010-07-06 14:28, Remy [POF] wrote:
here is an advice if you get really stuck. start another track in the same key and bpm as your old track start working up the track till, let's say 3mins then merge the track with your old one and keep just the best of both tracks. repeat the process until you are happy with the length of your track.
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thats a really good advice, i have made several tracks of several*2 or several*3 unfinished ones
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aciduss
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Posted : Jul 6, 2010 19:28
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Thank you brothers. |
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 7, 2010 05:26
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 10, 2010 00:02
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Don't assume your track needs to be 6-9 minutes
If you have 4 minutes of a track and you think it's done then it's done. |
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