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Friendly security ?

acidonacid
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 19:03
What about the security in the partys?
Is friendly with you or not?
Give us your experiences pleace..           
Open your mind...
Rik
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 19:14
I've had working experience with quite a few teams from different organisations, and i think the organiser has a very big responsibility here if he has the choice of the crews to work with (not all venues allow this liberty).

Some made working a pleasure, being very correct and friendly (even when having to check people for drinks because they weren't allowed in and such), sometimes you're not this lucky... to the extreme point where the security simply doesn't listen to the organiser and does what suits them best instead of what is being asked from them... this last incident was pretty unique luckyly...

if they are professional, they will imply the organisers will in a proper manner... just don't toy with them...

i don't think anyone who hasn't worked the door or entrance of a party for a full night can have anything close to an image of what these people have to deal with... people sneeking in, stealing drinks, deco, ... it all happens everywhere... and if there is anyone who has to deal with it, it's their job... not exactly fun and glory in that part of their job.

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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 20:51
Depends, friendly security can be useless as dog which can't bark!

Think about it. I'm comming to enjoy party and not to see friendly, 4x4 man. Security should secure! IMHO
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who took a young man up to her room
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Psychronick
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 20:58
There is some friendly security in some partys. Byt in most of them the security gays is not very nice ppl!!!!           Don't Wory Be Shanty!!!
Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton

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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 21:11
do we really need security theese days?
what happend?
Gopendragon
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 22:16
I remeber one night before much years at a party with tsuyoshi at a club in athens ,were I gave money to a known person for giving me an extacy pill,and after some seconds the security through me out of the club,but the person a gave him the money stayed in and nobody heart him...
and i have more much bad stories with people wearing suits atr parties...and the stange thing is that I never make the diller...only smoke joints in a club,till I understood that it is not the right way,because there are much people who dont smoke and we have to respect them indoors...           ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
acidonacid
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Posted : Nov 3, 2005 23:54
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On 2005-11-03 21:11, Dennis the menace wrote:
do we really need security theese days?
what happend?



For obvius reasons. Fights, thieves and stuff like that.
Where you live?
Looks strange for my stantards a question like that..           
Open your mind...
Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton

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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 01:05
i live in Írebro Sweden..
I never experienced a fight in a psytrance party and hopefully i never will.

And just to know there is a some kind of a guard kills the vibe imho. If people should just watch out for eachothers and there wouldnt be any security needed..

I guess i never had a bad experience like this cuz i choose my parties with care =)
Rik
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 01:23
You need security to avoid fights, not to resolve them... that's the whole concept... and getting kicked out of any club for buying or selling drugs in open view is perfectly normal and acceptable from my point of view...corruption is however out of the question and totally unacceptable, although i can't imagine this happening with the guys i've experienced working with... with regular staff in a club that opens every weekend i think this would be more likely to happen, if at all...

i consider it a matter of prevention rather than a way solve a problem... I would never organise an event larger than 200ppl without security... i'm not talking about hush hush parties in the desert here... but events with one or more international live acts and a team of at least 3 - 5 security guards from beginning to end... and yes i think it's needed... if i as a person interfear in any kind of violance or even lesser act, i can be held personally responable as an organiser, while the security is simply doing their job, and they have the needed permits to do so, the training to do so, and the skills to do so, in a subtile efficient manner (read: without disturbing the party for those who have nothing to do with the problem).

I've seen security remove thieves, guys that where hurassing girls, people to wasted to realise they where killing the party atmosphere, and straight forward irritating arrogant people from an event, in an efficient and hardly noticable fashion... i respect these people for doing their job, making the party a nice experience for everbody else.

this doesn't always happen perfectly (for smoking a joint in public for instance), even i have been removed from parties or even denied entry (dresscode?? i didn't even know it existed) at some point in my life, still i'm greatfull for the job they are doing. human nature is not as nice and plur as we sometimes would like to believe... it would be naive to believe so.          www.psytracks.com :: Brand new website for sharing your psytracks with the world. Get a free 250Mb Artist profile, Blog and events calender!
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 02:47
I've encountered a lot of security in many indoor events and for the most part, the security that I have encountered in psychedelic trance events have been friendly and courteous, but you know not to screw with them when it comes to doing their job. There are some venues that require security for their place to be rented, and some places don't give you the option to have your own security.

As much as I hate to say it, for some people plur does not exist. And as an event coordinator, you ARE responsible for the safety and well being of your party attendants. That includes keeping some elements out that really don't need to be there. If you wanna go to a party where you can do illicit activities in the open, invite a bunch of people to your house and have a party. Or have an open air party secluded from general view. But when you are in a situation like a warehouse party or a club, you have to realize that whatever the actions of your attendees are, you as the event coordinator are responsible for them.

A few years ago, some friends of mine and I threw an indoor party in my local town and we did a lot of local promotion. Now thinking that we weren't going to honestly need any real security, we didn't search anyone or have any big guys walking around just making sure people were going to respect each other. During the course of the event, some guy managed to sneak into the staff area of the event and start going through the belongings of our bellydancers. As soon as he was discovered, he leaped off the second story of the venue down to the main floor (fortunately not ontop of anyone) and ran out the door before anyone could actually catch him. Fortunately the only thing taken from the bellydancer's bag was her panties, but still... It's the principle. For the most part people know how to behave themselves in such environments, but you get one yahoo that can't show respect and it totally ruins it for everyone.

This is where security really comes into play. They can sometimes serve as just enough of a deterrent that you don't need to actually search anyone, just reminding them to respect themselves and the area around them.

I also have been to several non-psy but still electronic music events where I damn near got a full body cavity search, and I was playing at the show! The searched my cd case, my jacket, my hat, checked my "undercarriage", and threw away my cough drops even after I explained that I had the flu. This experience for me was a bit unneccesarry, especially since there were plenty of younger individuals running around on many pills... But at the same time, if those guys weren't there, who knows what else could have shown up.

The main reason for security is because there are some times where you cannot control who attends the events that you put together. If you hand invited everyone who showed up at your parties, then you'd know exactly what to expect...           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Gnome


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 08:49
Quote:
And just to know there is a some kind of a guard kills the vibe imho.



Exactly!!

Quote:
If people should just watch out for eachothers and there wouldnt be any security needed..



And thats the way it should be!!

          War is terrorism with a bigger budget.
vooood


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Posted : Nov 4, 2005 18:17
~ sometimes there is no security.. in my country security is one guy who does not know why is he there.. most of the time there are no interventions till you see some blood and have to call the police..

~ offcourse this is extremely rare and actually happened only once.. but still there is no security..

~ when talking about psy events - there are almost none here, only the few we do.. it is a small circle of friends (us about 25) and we do parties for ourselves and it's totally underground and no need for security           Music was my first love, and it will be my last.
Music of the future and music of the past.
To live without my music would be impossible to do.
In this world of trauma my music pulls me through.
Brain_Storm
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Posted : Nov 5, 2005 15:24
Quote:

On 2005-11-03 21:11, Dennis the menace wrote:
do we really need security theese days?
what happend?



well with no intention of getting into politics at all but unfortunally for some people with different flags then yours security is a obligatory           'I became tuned in on the network of neurological signals and cellular wisdoms that radiate at hundreds of millions per second.'
headyatail2000
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Posted : Nov 5, 2005 21:01
hmm they're not so friendly..doin their job..!!

but they do outnumberrrr the crowd at club blue..

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