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huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 18:31
Quote:

On 2009-10-25 13:36, psylady37 wrote:
don't trip, boyz -> i aint no secret agent but just calling things how i see them.

irrespective of your fears, may i repeat and ask:

notice any changes in the scene lately? How do you interpret them>? Why did so many ppl complain that the Fresh Fest felt so stale?

[yes, i am aware that it was a difficult production to pull off and that there were also others who reported having a good time...and that there are 1001 other issues that need to be taken into account; but aren't there always??]




i did not refer to your overwriten review et all..
just mentiond the simple fact that moksha project hed nothing to do with the fresh festival like u sagested..
and that it really maters to me when somune is trying to connect my org to places he has nothing to do with..

is that so hard to understand? or i need to write min of 10,000 words so u take my words siriusly miss psylady37??
psylady37


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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 18:57
i was misinformed - heard that moksha are now running nitzanim beach. as is seems things are otherwise, to the tenacious Moksha crew: no disrespect intended.

in any case, what's with all the self-righteousness?>? => this party was a commerical farce marketed as a suppossed underground trance party.

Here, look: this might assist in clarifying our discussion:

On his home page at the "Marker Cafe",the financial news's facebook-ish 'networking-business-pleasure' forum,Oren 'Coma' Pasternak
(the apparently main figure behind the stale Fresh Fest who also recently produced events/parties for the likes of Unilever, Cellcom and Motorola ["Motorola gave me sponsorship for an event 'with which i initiated and organized: Mofa'at Ha'Asor shel Infected Mushroom..."])


claims:

"from time to time i make quality parties for ages 35. the cream of the crop, the liga sh'baliga who go to parties once in a while and only then to something original and hi-quality"
[http://cafe.themarker.com/view.php?u=143497]

this, i take it, was his purported intention, duplicated on the flyer with the baseless claims that the event would be "the future rise of electronic sound in harmony" and "a new tradition starting this year"

Now not to Diss our #1 'tribal warrior' or anything, but WTF??!!!

plz make no mistake: i am not partisan to any side, xcept the one which makes good parties.



"A child, however, who had no important job and could only see things as his eyes showed them to him, went up to the carriage. 'The Emperor is naked!' she said."

"Fool!" his father reprimanded, running after him. "Don't talk nonsense!" He grabbed his child and took him away. But the girl's remark, which had been heard by the bystanders, was repeated over and over again until everyone cried:

"The girl is right! The Emperor is naked! It's true!"

The Emperor realized that the people were right but could not admit to that. He though it better to continue the procession under the illusion that anyone who couldn't see his clothes was either stupid or incompetent. And he stood stiffly on his carriage, while behind him a page held his imaginary mantle.... (http://deoxy.org/emperors.htm)

huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 22:19
well..
i might agree with some points in your words..

BUT..

i cen not overlook the stuff u wrote in the past
about moksha project,wich concluded the folowing things:

"moksha project are working together with the
police" (written es a conspiration thiory)

"moksha only make partys for money and do not care about their croud" (its the sume of a few santances u wrote in few posts)

"moksha project are poloting the nature by
forcing ppl to use trash bags against a diposit".(thing that prooved to work by fact cuse we all know israeli croud is to adjucate only by the pocket..)

@ all your reviews about us (moksha),and they are more then 90% of your activitys in this forum...

http://www.google.co.il/search?q=psylady37&hl=iw&filter=0

u tryed very hard to take the whorse out of things
presenting us in a very BAD way.

and now this joke u made about moksha taking over nitzanim beach..

needless to say u where a minority in this opinions..
i see a patren here,dont u?

their for
after reading few of your propostuas things in the past,even when u are actualy right then i whold
not take u siriusly in no way or manner
nor other ppl that keep treck of this forum.

btw.
i whold all so wont to refer
to mr FU HSI`S words,
seems he is right..


cheers
huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  955
Posted : Oct 25, 2009 22:27
ohh..

fresh festival ppl,sorry for going of topic but i hed to answer..
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posts :  3394
Posted : Oct 29, 2009 19:46
i don't get why is it so hard to spell check?           
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back
Jigga


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Posts :  40
Posted : Oct 30, 2009 11:45
"moksha project are working together with the
police" (written es a conspiration thiory)

"moksha only make partys for money and do not care about their croud" (its the sume of a few santances u wrote in few posts)

"moksha project are poloting the nature by
forcing ppl to use trash bags against a diposit".(thing that prooved to work by fact cuse we all know israeli croud is to adjucate only by the pocket..)


i so much agree with psylady...all of you "producers" wannabe's (moksha, empier, orencoma hhh and so many more lamers...) - in the REALLY far past some of you created so many lovely parties... these days you are so LAME ..instead of answering stupidly back try to see how you have changed in the last 10+ years of "producing" trance parties...you'll be amazed i can promiss you that...

these days it seems so rotten from the inside...
Mad_Scientist


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Posts :  74
Posted : Nov 1, 2009 00:59
maybe moksha doesn't work with the police...but there is a lot of "hand-shaking" going on there and the crowed is paying the price...no doubt about that.
huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 2, 2009 14:10
u guys are unbelievable,really...
psylady37


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Posted : Nov 4, 2009 00:48
No Huda: u r the one who is unbelievable. after all i have written, all u can think to write in response relates to your own paranoia. C'mon DUDE, time to wake up & stop being so self-centered/self righteous and take the critique like the good chap you so profess to be. why dont you try and relate to some of the claims i and others are making re the state of our local psytrance scene instead of crying on about how we are poo-pooing the Moksha crew. the fact is that a lot of parties today are crap and, yes, that includes some of the Moksha productions. and, even if on paper (errr, flyer) they dont seem so lousy, there is no denying how commercial and thoughtless things have become.

why dont you speak to the point and put forth some concrete and constructive suggestions instead of going on and on (and on) about your wounded pride. and yes, plz heed faxinadu's advice and make use of the spell-check
Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posts :  235
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 03:19
psylady37 once and for all:

If you have problems with Moksha open a topic and put the shit there! Many things that you say make sense and you are right to say them, but here its not very appropriate to do so, since these guys have nothing to do with this production.

This is to relation with the topic.

And in general:

People want good sound system.
People want good people @ the party, which means good selection that will leave about 4/5 of possible visitors out of the party.
People want big names on stage, sometimes very expensive ones, in fact as big the production becomes, the expectations for bringing bigger artists grow stronger.
People want amazing locations to be used, locations that usually cost heaps of money etc.
People want cheap prices at the bar.
People want quality VJ at night and special deco concept for every new event.

This is only part of things that people want, there are more. Actually the people are right, since these things make a good party great one.

What people don't understand, is that all this costs sometimes a little too much. And there is only one thing people don't want:

People don't want to pay.

Lets admit most of us would be very happy to enter with a serious discount or not to pay at all for any party. Productions need to shut their phones few days before just because the amount of ppl demanding freebees is impossible to handle.

So if you want killer lineups, bis sound systems amazing locations etc... then expect more commercial parties than u used to have.

But somehow most of the folks here wont go back to 50 ppl party in the forest with shitty sound system...

Decide what u want, you can't eat the cake and leave it untouched.


What I said here about "people" is in general, and has nothing to do with Fresh festival, Moksha or any other event.
          http://perfectlystrange.com
huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  955
Posted : Nov 5, 2009 13:38
Quote:

On 2009-11-04 00:48, psylady37 wrote:
No Huda: u r the one who is unbelievable. after all i have written, all u can think to write in response relates to your own paranoia. C'mon DUDE, time to wake up & stop being so self-centered/self righteous and take the critique like the good chap you so profess to be. why dont you try and relate to some of the claims i and others are making re the state of our local psytrance scene instead of crying on about how we are poo-pooing the Moksha crew. the fact is that a lot of parties today are crap and, yes, that includes some of the Moksha productions. and, even if on paper (errr, flyer) they dont seem so lousy, there is no denying how commercial and thoughtless things have become.

why dont you speak to the point and put forth some concrete and constructive suggestions instead of going on and on (and on) about your wounded pride. and yes, plz heed faxinadu's advice and make use of the spell-check



i think i made my self very cleer why
i wholdent take u siriusly and refer
2 your words with a proper answer..

and yet,u try to get me to do it..
read my words from befor agein im
sure u missed some of them if
u expect me to still tallk to u
in the ordinary respect i give 2 ppl here.

u do not respect the forum u write in
by making undercover user just in order 2
make moksha project a dark prod and malicious
org.
i think i made my point..
by clicking on this link:

http://www.google.co.il/search?q=psylady37&hl=iw&filter=0

u cen see how
your activitias in this forum are more then 90% about writing dark stuff on moksha`s
work.

u cen go on with it..
the reallity is what meters..
u cen stay in your virtual dark world and see
how we make big and butifull partys,
and u cen still bitch about it evry time..
(like u are doing since 2 years now..)

what counts is that the truth wins baby.
and the facts are solid.

thats all.
(-:

TechnoFear
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Nov 5, 2009 15:27
Ohhh psylady37 STFU           Plastik #2 @ Barzilay - 27.11 - With Peter Didjital (Sweden), Ido Ophir, Huda G and TechnoFear... more info: drgarry@gmail.com
Jigga


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Posts :  40
Posted : Nov 7, 2009 11:54
hey "perfect" stranger... people don't want to pay you say ha?? you are a real genious hhh ..that's what this thread is all about!!! when "producers" take 180NIS! for a never seen before anything so degrading "party".. made by 3rd empire or orencoma OR..moksha - yes moksha i know its not their thread HUDA but see, i do manage to write about it HERE because you/they do the same thing - when you drive half a day for a purim party (last purim) just to find out that:
1. no one will get you inside although you bought tickets (140NIS!) in advance and see all of these pigs shaking fucking hands with the "production" - and if by mistake i did manage to get in just because i knew someone:
2. line up wasn`t really the line up written in advance
3. shit-load of arsim
...and on and on and on...

so excuse me all of you noble producers and your funny whinning arguments - you are disgusting lame greedy people who forgot a thing or few about making it good and lovely with amazing vibes..maybe its the too much acid/md/wha-eva which made you forgetting what and how things were ~10-20 years ago ...who knows?! ...

Fu Hsi
Perfect Stranger

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Posts :  235
Posted : Nov 7, 2009 16:06
You know what Jigga, just for fun, I will prove you are wrong ok?... I might take a day or two to organize numbers for you to see that eventho 180NIS may sound like a lot of money, but in other places over the world the prices are same or more expensive. I will post in the near future and if I find I am wrong I will correct myself don't worry.

About shaking hands with the police, it's easy and again this is all YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE :

If you want a party in a beautiful garden with a lake or a water source, then you have to make it "legal" - which means "shaking hands with the police" - there is no other way. I am playing gigs and participating in parties in Israel since 97'. All those locations in the desert that once were so amazing and naive, today, at least for me, are so overused and abused, there are almost no spots that can be used for parties in that area, and apart of this part of land being abused so much in the parties, some people actually would love to see some green in their eyes instead of going 2 or 3 hours for two days in pudra in the desert! And yeah, there are amazing underground parties still, in the north too, but this is exactly why you have the choice! No one makes you to buy a 180NIS ticket when you already know what going to happen most probably.. The point I make tho, is regardless to how the party looked like at the moment 180NIS is OK price for 5 or 6 foreign acts in one party!! And what I was saying in my previous post still holds, even with your sarcastic take on "perfect"... There are events that it takes a lot of money to make them ( usually they are commercial but again you decide where you go ) and in these cases the tickets are expensive

OK checked some info... Big lineup outdoor party in Swiss ticket price is around 30 euros = 165NIS. Main difference between Swiss and Israel is that most of the "foreign" acts takes very cheap to fly in ( not more than 100 euros ) while in Israel same acts would cost 400+ euros to fly in. That is just an example I can give more.



          http://perfectlystrange.com
huda-g
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  15
Posts :  955
Posted : Nov 7, 2009 17:49
Quote:

On 2009-11-07 16:06, Fu Hsi wrote:
You know what Jigga, just for fun, I will prove you are wrong ok?... I might take a day or two to organize numbers for you to see that eventho 180NIS may sound like a lot of money, but in other places over the world the prices are same or more expensive. I will post in the near future and if I find I am wrong I will correct myself don't worry.

About shaking hands with the police, it's easy and again this is all YOUR PERSONAL CHOICE :

If you want a party in a beautiful garden with a lake or a water source, then you have to make it "legal" - which means "shaking hands with the police" - there is no other way. I am playing gigs and participating in parties in Israel since 97'. All those locations in the desert that once were so amazing and naive, today, at least for me, are so overused and abused, there are almost no spots that can be used for parties in that area, and apart of this part of land being abused so much in the parties, some people actually would love to see some green in their eyes instead of going 2 or 3 hours for two days in pudra in the desert! And yeah, there are amazing underground parties still, in the north too, but this is exactly why you have the choice! No one makes you to buy a 180NIS ticket when you already know what going to happen most probably.. The point I make tho, is regardless to how the party looked like at the moment 180NIS is OK price for 5 or 6 foreign acts in one party!! And what I was saying in my previous post still holds, even with your sarcastic take on "perfect"... There are events that it takes a lot of money to make them ( usually they are commercial but again you decide where you go ) and in these cases the tickets are expensive

OK checked some info... Big lineup outdoor party in Swiss ticket price is around 30 euros = 165NIS. Main difference between Swiss and Israel is that most of the "foreign" acts takes very cheap to fly in ( not more than 100 euros ) while in Israel same acts would cost 400+ euros to fly in. That is just an example I can give more.








yuli you are wasting your time here with this pointless argumants .


es i seyd befor,reality is what counts and the facts are solid!

cheers
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