fresh festival nizanim

On 2009-10-18 19:59, kvandel shmandel wrote:
everytime some smart ass wants to make some money put some name like spirit..farsh or what ever...

On 2009-10-21 00:39, psylady37 wrote:
Well, one thing is clear, despite its illustrious past, Nitzanim -- whether being run by the Forum folks or by the Moksha et al crew -- is no longer an apt venue for the sort of psytrance party most of us are looking for.

Funny, the same atrocities which occurred at the Forum 20th Anniversary bash earlier this summer (see my previous review), came up again at the Fresh Festival. But, at that time and under that context, these antics seemed to be an intrinsic part of the general atmosphere. Whereas this time -- under the senseless banner posted on the party flyer ‘the future rise of electronic sound in harmony’ and its ridiculous claim of ‘a new tradition starting this year’ -- these tricks were exceedingly off-putting and vexed all but the most obtuse of the psy veterans in attendance.

What i refer to are the claims criticizing the event’s overt commerciality -- in this case, manifesting in, for example, the 'no-water-allowed-inside' policy and the rife number of 'non-desirables' -- i.e., Arabs and drunk Russian youth -- which ticked off more than one party reviewer.

These same elements were front and centre in July's Forum Fest but rather than upset the vibe, they actually appeared to be its engine. This was seen in the party’s art installations which were done up by pelefone (in the guise of hi speed internet kiosks) and Walla.co.il (who imposed itself upon party goers by lining the venue with rows and rows of colorful flags that displayed their logo) and endowed the party with a strange aura of familiarity. What seemed familiar was in fact the ugly signatures of late-modern post-industrial consumption which now have become de'rigeur in the Israeli trance scene and were therefore to be expected.
It would seem that a new era for Israeli trance has dawned.
According to Chaim Noy, an Israeli anthropologist who spent the last decade or so investigating the routines of Israeli backpackers, the first Israelis to find out about psytrance were the country's Ashkenazi elite (kibbutznikim and their counterparts, affectionately known as 'yaldei shamenet', who are counted among Israel's affluent and whose children were the first generation of Israeli youth to set out on socially sanctioned post-military trips to the Far East whereupon they happened upon psyculture and duly brought it back home).
In his poignant film 'bombs on the way to the end' (p'zazot b'derex l'sof ha'olam'), documentary filmaker Isri Halpern suggests the second wave of Israeli psy-adherents were composed of a fervent bunch of Eidot Ha'mizrax youth who felt excluded from the night life culture taking place in and around Tel-Aviv (they couldn’t get past the selectorim outside the clubs) and therefore looked for an alternative way to hook into the fun their more privileged friends seemed to be having. This makes sense, since after all, that is how culture and power are dispensed in Israel -- from the Ashkenazi elites down to the less-entitled Eidot Ha'mizrax (with perhaps the notable exception being Zohar Argov) and then on to the Arabs and all the rest (Olim, foreign workers etc).

Hence, it should come as a surprise to no-one that, a decade later, Israeli Arabs and the children of Russian Olim from the early 90's are now eager to join the game. This, btw, is not a phenomenon exclusive to Israel and, for instance, Japanese psytrance culture is today increasingly becoming the stomping ground for multitudes of so-called 'yellow trash' --a.k.a. 'Yankees'-- who are more or less the JP equivalent to Israeli Arsim. It is an inevitable dynamic which mimics other sorts of cultural permeation (often directed via the various popular media channels) and one which Israel seems to be experiencing in overdrive. Seen in this light, this perspective might also explain the sudden surge in popularity minimal techno/progressive trance is enjoying and why it is being mythologized as the next best well-known secret on the scene.

As to why the 3rd Empire folks were willing to go along with this scam, it is yet unclear. Perhaps, for the fame and glory, or perhaps they couldn’t resist the temptation to make a few quick bucks without having to take full responsibility for the labor-intensive production logistics, or perhaps they really thought that it was going to be a cool event. Or perhaps, after being convinced to join , they were too deep in the psyswamp muck to be able to safely swim ashore. In any case, once they recognized the likelihood that the party was going to flop -- the converging soundsystems, the no-water policy, the presence of so many 'non regulars', the no-show of the headlining DJs etc etc -- the Empire leaders should have been bold enough to inform their loyal subjects to abandon ship. This would have been the noble, dare i say PLUR, thing to do. And for that, at least, they should be faulted.
Undoubtedly, in a sort of 91st minute attempt to distance themselves from what has been referred to by Ronendai, the initiator of this thread, as "the most ugly party I had ever been in my whole life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" they will emerge from the dust of this fiasco and trudgedly send out some sort of lame letter of apology/explanation, only to sign it: 'see you all at the next one'...

As for their partners in crime: Well, let’s be frank, this is what they do and hence the question might be: Why did we expect anything else???

The same reasons which caused the Forum celebration in July to be so predictably commercialized reappeared in the tasteless mockery of an underground psytrance party presented to us at the Fresh Festival. As these two events converge into one entity, it is becoming more and more apparent that a new phase of Israeli psytrance has taken shape. Perhaps it is time to rethink our priorities and begin to again take charge of the events we organize and attend. Bring it back down to the grassroots level so to speak. As wise King David’s admonishes in the opening lines of the Book of Psalms (Tehillim): “Praises go out to the man who does not follow the counsel of the wicked, nor does he stand in the way of sinners nor sit in the company of fools.” Selah.

On 2009-10-21 00:39, psylady37 wrote:
Well, one thing is clear, despite its illustrious past, Nitzanim -- whether being run by the Forum folks or by the Moksha et al crew -- is no longer an apt venue for the sort of psytrance party most of us are looking for.

Funny, the same atrocities which occurred at the Forum 20th Anniversary bash earlier this summer (see my previous review), came up again at the Fresh Festival. But, at that time and under that context, these antics seemed to be an intrinsic part of the general atmosphere. Whereas this time -- under the senseless banner posted on the party flyer ‘the future rise of electronic sound in harmony’ and its ridiculous claim of ‘a new tradition starting this year’ -- these tricks were exceedingly off-putting and vexed all but the most obtuse of the psy veterans in attendance.

What i refer to are the claims criticizing the event’s overt commerciality -- in this case, manifesting in, for example, the 'no-water-allowed-inside' policy and the rife number of 'non-desirables' -- i.e., Arabs and drunk Russian youth -- which ticked off more than one party reviewer.

These same elements were front and centre in July's Forum Fest but rather than upset the vibe, they actually appeared to be its engine. This was seen in the party’s art installations which were done up by pelefone (in the guise of hi speed internet kiosks) and Walla.co.il (who imposed itself upon party goers by lining the venue with rows and rows of colorful flags that displayed their logo) and endowed the party with a strange aura of familiarity. What seemed familiar was in fact the ugly signatures of late-modern post-industrial consumption which now have become de'rigeur in the Israeli trance scene and were therefore to be expected.
It would seem that a new era for Israeli trance has dawned.
According to Chaim Noy, an Israeli anthropologist who spent the last decade or so investigating the routines of Israeli backpackers, the first Israelis to find out about psytrance were the country's Ashkenazi elite (kibbutznikim and their counterparts, affectionately known as 'yaldei shamenet', who are counted among Israel's affluent and whose children were the first generation of Israeli youth to set out on socially sanctioned post-military trips to the Far East whereupon they happened upon psyculture and duly brought it back home).
In his poignant film 'bombs on the way to the end' (p'zazot b'derex l'sof ha'olam'), documentary filmaker Isri Halpern suggests the second wave of Israeli psy-adherents were composed of a fervent bunch of Eidot Ha'mizrax youth who felt excluded from the night life culture taking place in and around Tel-Aviv (they couldn’t get past the selectorim outside the clubs) and therefore looked for an alternative way to hook into the fun their more privileged friends seemed to be having. This makes sense, since after all, that is how culture and power are dispensed in Israel -- from the Ashkenazi elites down to the less-entitled Eidot Ha'mizrax (with perhaps the notable exception being Zohar Argov) and then on to the Arabs and all the rest (Olim, foreign workers etc).

Hence, it should come as a surprise to no-one that, a decade later, Israeli Arabs and the children of Russian Olim from the early 90's are now eager to join the game. This, btw, is not a phenomenon exclusive to Israel and, for instance, Japanese psytrance culture is today increasingly becoming the stomping ground for multitudes of so-called 'yellow trash' --a.k.a. 'Yankees'-- who are more or less the JP equivalent to Israeli Arsim. It is an inevitable dynamic which mimics other sorts of cultural permeation (often directed via the various popular media channels) and one which Israel seems to be experiencing in overdrive. Seen in this light, this perspective might also explain the sudden surge in popularity minimal techno/progressive trance is enjoying and why it is being mythologized as the next best well-known secret on the scene.

As to why the 3rd Empire folks were willing to go along with this scam, it is yet unclear. Perhaps, for the fame and glory, or perhaps they couldn’t resist the temptation to make a few quick bucks without having to take full responsibility for the labor-intensive production logistics, or perhaps they really thought that it was going to be a cool event. Or perhaps, after being convinced to join , they were too deep in the psyswamp muck to be able to safely swim ashore. In any case, once they recognized the likelihood that the party was going to flop -- the converging soundsystems, the no-water policy, the presence of so many 'non regulars', the no-show of the headlining DJs etc etc -- the Empire leaders should have been bold enough to inform their loyal subjects to abandon ship. This would have been the noble, dare i say PLUR, thing to do. And for that, at least, they should be faulted.
Undoubtedly, in a sort of 91st minute attempt to distance themselves from what has been referred to by Ronendai, the initiator of this thread, as "the most ugly party I had ever been in my whole life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" they will emerge from the dust of this fiasco and trudgedly send out some sort of lame letter of apology/explanation, only to sign it: 'see you all at the next one'...

As for their partners in crime: Well, let’s be frank, this is what they do and hence the question might be: Why did we expect anything else???

The same reasons which caused the Forum celebration in July to be so predictably commercialized reappeared in the tasteless mockery of an underground psytrance party presented to us at the Fresh Festival. As these two events converge into one entity, it is becoming more and more apparent that a new phase of Israeli psytrance has taken shape. Perhaps it is time to rethink our priorities and begin to again take charge of the events we organize and attend. Bring it back down to the grassroots level so to speak. As wise King David’s admonishes in the opening lines of the Book of Psalms (Tehillim): “Praises go out to the man who does not follow the counsel of the wicked, nor does he stand in the way of sinners nor sit in the company of fools.” Selah.

On 2009-10-21 23:35, psylady37 wrote:
perhaps, but that doesnt really make much difference, does it?

On 2009-10-23 19:28, huda-g wrote:

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On 2009-10-21 23:35, psylady37 wrote: perhaps, but that doesnt really make much difference, does it?

perhaps??
im amember of moksha crew and to me it makes a difference.

On 2009-10-23 19:38, Fu Hsi wrote:

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On 2009-10-23 19:28, huda-g wrote: Quote: On 2009-10-21 23:35, psylady37 wrote: perhaps, but that doesnt really make much difference, does it? perhaps?? im amember of moksha crew and to me it makes a difference.

Huda it's quite obvious to me that psylady37 writes the posts here to make some promoters look bad, in order to make some other promoters look good. The way she says things and the way of the structure of her unfrequent mails here, reeks of promotional interest and well thought of strategy.