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frequencies and keys, and interpretation of certain filters on an eq?
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 10, 2004 17:19
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billy,
if you do this then you get all kinds of funny suff.,
like that the wave of the bassline is synchronised to the 16'th hihat.,
basically you synchronise waveforms (the ups and downs) to tempo., isnt that nice??.., 
it's not a bizarre way of thinking,.
tempo is frequency.,
so they are the same thing from the beginning.,
only tempo is a much lower frequency and sound is a bit higher.,
greets.,
aka.,
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 10, 2004 17:34
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The theory that Zildoggo list here is not wierd way of thinking as you say but it is how digital sound was discovered and used .
Notes were createn from frequencies , pitch is digital note change soooo think alone the rest .......... in analogue sound pitch means speed of play , in digital tune of play .
Zildoggo BTW the formula of Pitch and Notes is not with algorythms ? i always though that way and not so simple . |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 10, 2004 18:42
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uuh?., pitch is digital note?., what do you mean by that???,
pitch means frequency (or maybe perceived frequency)
taken from dictionary.com:
# Acoustics. The distinctive quality of a sound, dependent primarily on the frequency of the sound waves produced by its source.
what do you mean with digital?
if you mean computer-like digital then there is no connection to that at all.,
if you mean digital like discrete note frequencies then i understand.,
there are different algorithms for notes and pitch.,
some tunings are not algorithms (like classical tunings) ., they are designed and fine-tuned over time.,
most well known scales define A3 or A4 as 440hz
once you've got a center point you can add notes relative to that frequency., harmony is all about relativity
but that is a completely different subject.,
ooh, and actually, notes were created from LENGTH!!., not from frequencies
length of string, length of pipes, that sort of thing.,
as an example,
you know the 8" , 16" , 32" things on oscilators?.,
they are lenghts of the pipes of a pipe-organ! .,
8 feet, 16 feet, 32 feet., the longer the pipe, the lower the sound
anyway,
greets.,
aka.,
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 02:33
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Yea I've seen that in Albino and wondered what didnt they just choose octave -1 0 +1 etc etc
Anyway I gotta check that tempo thing, and add a bit of a challenge to the dj's with those exotic tempos 
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micromusic
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 09:38
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ah thats good stuff zildoggo, tempo is frequency. it's all time, i just never thought to sync the two. so simple, thanks man.
but i was doing some of the calculations, it seems only a few tempo's will fall into sync: 129.938, 145.8375, and 154.51875 (inside the dance range anyway). so if your doing a track at 135 bpm, your kinda screwed on this, right? unless i'm missing something else?
regardless, i'm working on a bassline for a track right now at 145 and i just bumped it up to 145.8 (the closest i could get) and it definatly seemed to improve it. time to play around & experiment more with this.
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 12:04
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 12:08
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micromusic,
you're totaly right.,
but i think you missed one : 137.66 or something,
basically my favourite tempo and note (D).,
it gets your bass at around 74 Hz or so, which is loooow.,
greets.,
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 14:34
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O.k. now I understood it better but it seems to me too technic. I`ll still use my hear to choose the note of my bass..
good luck you all with your post-modern creating! |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 15:19
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tsabeat,
138 bpm is closest to D i think.,
138 bpm ( / 60 ) = 2.3 bps
2.3 multiplied a few times by 2 gives you 73.6hz .,
this is very close to the frequency of D .,
greets.,
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 15:22
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billy,
yeah, well, it's only a little trick.,
noone will force you to use it
it doesnt guarantee a nice bassline or something.,
just sets a certain relation between tempo and tuning.,
this may or may not be a good thing for your track.,
anyway.,
greets.,
aka., |
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br0d
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Posted : Aug 11, 2004 23:35
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yes, that whole "pipe organ" convention is very strange. |
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Input
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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 08:52
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so zildoggo tell me please,
in my current track i'm working on- the tempo is 137 and bassline note is B1 - 61.74hz - when i'm doing the calculation you mentioned i'm getting to 3.85875(231.525 BPM) or divided again 1.929375(115.7625 BPM) both are very far from my desired tempo- now B1 note is sounding great with the track- what are the possibilities? does changing the note to D2 with tempo 137.6625 is the only one? or i can fine tune it to my current note B1-
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 12:32
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input,
you can look for other harmonics.,
i dont know if you know chords but you can try to tune the tempo to another note from a chord that also has B in it.,
also, it could be that the note you play on B already has some components that are in tune with the tempo.,
but basicaly, yes, there is only one tempo for every note. (if you want to use the trick).,
greets.,
aka., |
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 18:28
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heheh... wicked thread..... a real mind bender.....
... and what happens when we think about the fact that.... frequency is the rate of 'vibration' and therefore sound has an 'associated colour' for colour is the frequency of light....
hehe....
Im lovin this thread'
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 12, 2004 20:35
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yeah., thought that up at least 10 years ago
problem is that color and light are almost completely inside one 'octave' (so the lowest light frequency we see is not even twice as small as the highest visible light frequency)
human hearing spans many octaves,.
so it is not very interesting to translate between light and sound frequencies in a mathematical way,.,
our brain doesnt do much frequency/wave math with colors., what we see is pretty synthetic and mostly produced by our brain.,
hearing is much closer to the natural phenomenon of sound., (and sound is also less complicated than vision)
the information from our ears is more pure, so to say.,
therefore we can hear complex relations between frequencies.,
anyway.,
greets.,
aka.,
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