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freq gates...

Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : May 11, 2004 12:55
Hello dudes..
i try to search a plugin/method/way which is able to do following effect:...


There are to sounds/textures/pads/what you want.. first one we call 'x', second one we call 'y'.

if the gain of x is going down, the gain of y will gain up with the same but negative curve. so x is always doing to oppisite of y, it is something like a dynamic gate. a compressor or hard limiter will do such effects, yes. but imagine this with frequences...
so:

if the x-frequences are 100-300Hz + 5000Hz + 7566Hz the 'unknown plugin/method' will automaticly lay the frequences of y only at the 'freq.-holes' between the x-frequences.

know what i mean?

maybe so tricky routing is able to do that ???





EYB
Noized

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Posted : May 11, 2004 13:09
That is a good idea.

I just found, by searching for such a plug, Delaydots Spectra Morpher, it seems it can do this

KVR says:

"Part of the Delaydots Spectral plugins pack (contains three plugins - Spectral Shaper, Spectral eXtractor and Spectral Morpher).

Spectral Morpher allows you to completely alter the Source sample according to another, loaded (Target) sample with different transformation modes: different cross synth, and linear morph between 2 samples.

There are 11 "morph" modes available: Convolution, Magnitude only convolution, Vocode effect and 7 mutation modes: Uniform signed / unsigned, Linear contour mutation, Nonlinear Contour (Irregular) signed / unsigned mutations, and 2 combined mutation modes, and latest one - a clean morph, a morph without feedback effects."

I will check this out            Signature
Boobytrip
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 11, 2004 14:10
you could use multiple side-chain compressors with bandpass-filters placed as inserts before them. For good results you could try the bandpass-filters from the C4, without compression. For info on the side-chain technique, check:

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/29974/forum/2/start/15

If you use a side-chain compressor for every problem-frequency, you may be able to let one signal make a frequency dive' when the other signal peaks in that frequency range.

Good luck.
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 11, 2004 15:13
No problem in LAP, you use one channel for each, one of them you output to a bus, on the other you put a sidechained multi-compressor (sidechained to the bus the other was outputted to), then output both the multi-compressed channel and the bus into a different bus (effectively mixing both channels into one after the multicomp which keeps the frequency ranges more or less even throughout) into the same bus, then you can put a compressor on that bus to eliminate the remaining pesky peaks, and voila, a fat, peakless sound remaining with about the same level on all the frequency ranges you want.

This is not possible in Cubase SX 1, and as far as I know, it's impossible in SX 2 as well.
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Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : May 12, 2004 13:29
thank you very much!
this helps a lot.

@kaz
i still use cubase 5.1 // because i just got to know about the nice wave-algorithm at overdriving the audiotracks ,you have only at this cubase-version - and this can be realy killing, if you are going to use it in a right way

otherwise i would use cubase sx or something else. i dunno LAP. (?)

@booby! good idea.. i will try out. thx!


a method like this also 'must' exist without ultramodern plugins. how could acts like xdream or other topaudioproducers have such a perfect freuqence-dynamic in their trax since the years of analog-design?
i think sidechaining-freq-routing is realy the key.

Boobytrip
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 12, 2004 14:09
I tried the filtered side-chain method in SX2 yesterday, and it woiks it's a bit of a hassle because it involves multiple channels to make it work in stereo, but i think it will prove useful to make things fit. Anyhoo, thanx a lot for the tip.
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