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Free net labels - pros and cons.
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Yidam
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 14:32
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pros:
promotion the way you want it: P2P networks are branded by the ripper groups... when you get it out yourself you can promote your own website, myspace, label releases etc.
focus on the packaging: the digital package with artwork, videos and hi quality audio just the way you want people to see and hear it.
respect from those who download: the fact that an artist is releasing hi quality music for free will increase your music respecting fanbase.
the obvious : no costs apart from mastering and artwork.
more performance bookings ? best person to ask that question to is Ekoplex (ie. if things changed for him after the successful free release)
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/ekoplex-journey-of-the-turtle/
the cons:
the trouble of covering the costs of mastering & artwork... ideally should be covered by the netlabel in return for the increased traffic to their site.
long waits... sometimes takes a year or more for a good net-release to be appreciated. if you're a fulltime musician that can take a toll on your patience.
dependence on the netlabel to get the word out (do the job of a distributor): some netlabels are just way too underground/niche. a good one needs to look at distribution the way any normal label does it. this of course requires time, money and experience. not many netlabels out there with the kind of infrastructure to do that properly.
in a nutshell, free netlabels are for those who are looking and working towards the future and not just instant gratification.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 14:33
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I for one would not mind giving away a track or two. But realy i would prefer getting paid for the work put in, not because i need the money. But for the possibility to get some new equipment and make more music. The more toys the more creativity. But i do respect artists who put out full length albums, they obviously have no need for new toys :-) (or they are economicly independent)
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 16:01
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i have the same need for money but i get more on gig then on single track (about double) and believe free album will get me more then 5 gigs... simple math for me , i might be wrong but i realese much on cds too
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 17:27
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Actually there is no need for Free Net Labels in my humble opinion,any artist can set up a personal page and do his own promotion and spread his music for free.I mean whats the point after all of having a free net label if you are not an artist yourself?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 18:07
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On 2008-12-20 17:27, DETOX wrote:
Actually there is no need for Free Net Labels in my humble opinion,any artist can set up a personal page and do his own promotion and spread his music for free.I mean whats the point after all of having a free net label if you are not an artist yourself?
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Anyone can print CD's as well, so what is the need for a regular label?
First of all being bundeled with other artists making similar music helps in getting people to find you.
Also, setting up a website costs effort and/or money just like mastering and artwork.
So for the artists it usually means less effort but more in return.
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 19:36
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i think that having a free music network and having some music released for free to the people who enjoys music with a decent mastering and a nice concept is not a bad thing because increases awareness for ;all. Label and artists and designers and sound engineers and all involved
its a good thing for all
and i hear from many artists that this procedure gave them bookings.
especially if the va has a concept and the music flows well then i dont see a reason why not?
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 20, 2008 20:14
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the thing with promotion that as artist i dont know much on advertise , and there are hardly good agencies that whiling to work with artists that still didnt break throu commercialy..
as well setting up web page turns to be abit more complicated then it seems (unless got graphic designer / programer or money to hire them)
so i dont really know what is really working , i assume its all together. defintly i know postunder.net gets to most forums and many people that are out of my network so i think its great thing.
until i sort out my own webpage (coming soon) net labels do the trick  www.sattelbattle.com
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 21, 2008 06:16
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I encourage you (and anyone else) to drop him an email and ask. I've worked closely with Ray over the course of the last year to raise his profile internationally and we're both very happy with the results.
About the album: we spent about $600 on mastering and artwork combined. Later on we invested several hundred dollars in having 160 CDs printed (using an "on-demand" CD manufacturer), all of which were sold at parties and festivals in and around Ontario (where we are from). In the end we probably came quite close to breaking even on the release itself--but of course Ekoplex has picked up a bunch of gigs as well, and for me it has been extremely satisfying to finally have a "proof of concept."
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bbgun
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Posted : Dec 21, 2008 06:28
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the music is shit very often |
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 21, 2008 07:05
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On 2008-12-21 06:28, bbgun wrote:
the music is shit very often
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ahahhHAHAHAHHAH
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Dec 21, 2008 08:34
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On 2008-12-21 06:16, Basilisk wrote:
I encourage you (and anyone else) to drop him an email and ask. I've worked closely with Ray over the course of the last year to raise his profile internationally and we're both very happy with the results.
About the album: we spent about $600 on mastering and artwork combined. Later on we invested several hundred dollars in having 160 CDs printed (using an "on-demand" CD manufacturer), all of which were sold at parties and festivals in and around Ontario (where we are from). In the end we probably came quite close to breaking even on the release itself--but of course Ekoplex has picked up a bunch of gigs as well, and for me it has been extremely satisfying to finally have a "proof of concept."
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Good to hear that. I never even heard of Ekoplex before going to your website, and I really was quite blown away when I heard his album, couldnt even believe it was totally free. I can definitely see that album leading to some bookings. |
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Dovla
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Posted : Dec 22, 2008 00:04
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On 2008-12-20 17:27, DETOX wrote:
I mean whats the point after all of having a free net label if you are not an artist yourself? |
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one word...Quality Control
ok three words 
these days you can align your tastes with the tastes of a certain label and it makes it easier to get the good music you like instead of searching for hours...if every artist I ever liked wasn't on any label but had his own homepage with only his tracks it would take forever to get all the good stuff and I'd just give up
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DETOX
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Posted : Dec 22, 2008 01:23
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On 2008-12-20 18:07, Spindrift wrote:
Anyone can print CD's as well, so what is the need for a regular label?
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Anyone can print a cd indeed but not anyone can sell,promote and distribute it for various reasons including legal and connections issues.
Thats why regular labels are still needed in this scene and thats why people like Dino Psaras and Son Kite decided to release their new albums on Israeli labels instead of European or Japanese ones or even on their own by distributing their music for free.
One day when labels will no longer exist in this scene then and only then some people will understand the importance of their existence.
P.S Dovla mate i said other things and you understood something else.I said what is the point for an individual to set up a free net label if he is not an artist himself,i mean there is nothing there for him to earn out of this effort since no money will come from sales and no bookings for him since he is not an artist.Hope now i was clear.
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 22, 2008 12:01
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On 2008-12-22 01:23, DETOX wrote:
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On 2008-12-20 18:07, Spindrift wrote:
Anyone can print CD's as well, so what is the need for a regular label?
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Anyone can print a cd indeed but not anyone can sell,promote and distribute it for various reasons including legal and connections issues.
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+1
the foundations to get to wide audience takes years , its rediculus anyone will do it for himself , altho thats what happening more and more.
my idea with free music is that ALL labels are quite low on sales (exept few single ones i know of) and running on lost , showing they have no better clue then me to do it.
another thing about print cds , how much is a blank??? whats wrong with getting burner that print also art on cd today its so cheap?? and just print your own.. print of covers for 1000 cds cost tops 70$. the labels are just should have their own distro too and not give away 50% of profits to other sites... i meen , the costs are huge cause of that to the public , as well you cant never know who is gonna rip you off..
i know the thing with people like to order many cds from one site etc. but i still believe hand to hand sales work just about 10 times better for me.. get to talk with the people who actualy buy it is beautifull thing , and with many gigs you meet alot alot of targeted audience. www.sattelbattle.com
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 22, 2008 14:44
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On 2008-12-22 01:23, DETOX wrote:
Anyone can print a cd indeed but not anyone can sell,promote and distribute it for various reasons including legal and connections issues.
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Anyone can sell and distribute CD's as well...how many is a different issue.
You where wondering why use a free netlabel and not just put up the tracks on a website themself. The answer is the same as with regular labels...it can make it easier to reach out to more people.
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On 2008-12-22 01:23, DETOX wrote:
One day when labels will no longer exist in this scene then and only then some people will understand the importance of their existence.
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It's certainly helpful with services for categorization, distribution and promotion but the question is how relevant the traditional label is today.
They have to be really good in all of the above to remain relevant, and very few labels are and at the same time there are new and very efficient ways of handling those aspects today.
Sure there are still a few labels doing ok, but looking at where things are heading I think it will be more obvious how disposable they are rather than the other way around.
If all labels disappeared today Son Kite and Dino would easily find alternative means to reach their audience.
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On 2008-12-22 01:23, DETOX wrote:
I said what is the point for an individual to set up a free net label if he is not an artist himself,i mean there is nothing there for him to earn out of this effort since no money will come from sales and no bookings for him since he is not an artist.Hope now i was clear.
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You might be surprised to hear this, but people do things for other reasons than financial all the time.
There are other motivational factors like for example interest and passion.
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