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shahar
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 10:30
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Just to make things clear- the reason that promotional posts about free releases go to the listen to my music thread is because otherwise this whole section gets flooded with these threads and it dies. It happened before and this is why I started that thread and we move these posts there.
Everyone is more than welcomed to discuss any sort of music he likes whether it's released on CD, on vinyl, digital file, played live or in his own head.
And yes, we need some kind of separating criteria so already releasing artists/labels is the one we chose. Pure technical. For a whole discussion on this and why and how we decided go here: http://forum.isratrance.com/promotional-releases-vs-promotional-media/
(something you were aware of Kristian, as you took part in that thread, so I really don't understand why you start it again...)
And if you guys go on fighting/trolling instead of debating we'll lock this again.
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damon
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 13:13
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On 2011-04-09 19:41, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-04-09 19:06, damon wrote:
Sooo ... according to Almighty Beat Agency only he knows there are a lot of GOOD FREE DIGITAL releases out there on teh tubes.
The majority of us here in chill section of Isra don't and are aware only about CDs.
We don't know about Ektoplazm, Zealotry, Kahvi Collective, free Bandcamp releases and dozens of other GOOD FREE DIGITAL label/artists releases and websites with freebies.
Instead of discovering and praising those we just troll here.
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It's amazing how you fail to understand the point of this debate in your little rant about me. I guess your trolling prevent you from even bother to try to understand and I guess you should just be ignored 
And thank you for totally ruining this debate. Both of you. I guess I'll ask the mods to close it as this has become absolutely nonsense in your little annoyed attack on my way of debating.
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It's the first time, actually, I feel regret about spending money/supporting artist (I have bought "Shameful Silence" on cd).
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Bodhisattva
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 14:02
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On 2011-04-10 10:30, shahar wrote:
Just to make things clear- the reason that promotional posts about free releases go to the listen to my music thread is because otherwise this whole section gets flooded with these threads and it dies. It happened before and this is why I started that thread and we move these posts there.
Everyone is more than welcomed to discuss any sort of music he likes whether it's released on CD, on vinyl, digital file, played live or in his own head.
And yes, we need some kind of separating criteria so already releasing artists/labels is the one we chose. Pure technical. For a whole discussion on this and why and how we decided go here: http://forum.isratrance.com/promotional-releases-vs-promotional-media/
(something you were aware of Kristian, as you took part in that thread, so I really don't understand why you start it again...)
And if you guys go on fighting/trolling instead of debating we'll lock this again.
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Well, you can see that I told him all that here more or less:
http://forum.isratrance.com/4-soevnigt-sind-albums-for-free/
But like always he had to start an argument.
This thread should have already been locked or deleted, and the Soevnigt Sind thread should have been moved to the appropriate place.
That's my opinion. Sorry for not debating on topic again, but what's the point of having this thread if the matter was already discussed and closed with a clear decision.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 15:22
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On 2011-04-10 10:30, shahar wrote:
Just to make things clear- the reason that promotional posts about free releases go to the listen to my music thread is because otherwise this whole section gets flooded with these threads and it dies. It happened before and this is why I started that thread and we move these posts there.
Everyone is more than welcomed to discuss any sort of music he likes whether it's released on CD, on vinyl, digital file, played live or in his own head.
And yes, we need some kind of separating criteria so already releasing artists/labels is the one we chose. Pure technical. For a whole discussion on this and why and how we decided go here: http://forum.isratrance.com/promotional-releases-vs-promotional-media/
(something you were aware of Kristian, as you took part in that thread, so I really don't understand why you start it again...)
And if you guys go on fighting/trolling instead of debating we'll lock this again.
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I dont find it pure technical at all.
Why is it not allowed for us to post our free Album releases side by side with artists posting about their Cd releases in the Ambient & Chillout forum?
As I said earlier I do not ask for any free release to go next to the CD releases. Only free album releases. Or is the truth not that we are still being looked at as not "real" artists because we release for free? Or maybe not (or maybe people just wont say it out loud) but this is how I feel when asked to step aside and let the CD releases get 1st priority here. Yes it's your rules but that does not mean they are fair.
I know I am backed up by all those here who release free albums (and a few other who also think it's weird).
Yes I participated in that debate you link to but that was about the general release promotion section vs. the digital release section and had nothing to do with the Ambient & Chillout forum.
If we really had to follow the rules then the CD releases should go here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/forum-promotional-releases/
And the free releases should go here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/forum-free-music-netlabels/
And no one should be allowed to post promotional topics about their CD or free releases in the Ambient & Chillout forum. Just to be 100% on the rules here.
Now I am sure if that rule was followed there would be a riot among the CD artists here. But apparently no one seem to care when its a free album release..That's really sad 
Sorry for my long rant...
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 15:30
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On 2011-04-10 13:13, damon wrote:
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On 2011-04-09 19:41, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-04-09 19:06, damon wrote:
Sooo ... according to Almighty Beat Agency only he knows there are a lot of GOOD FREE DIGITAL releases out there on teh tubes.
The majority of us here in chill section of Isra don't and are aware only about CDs.
We don't know about Ektoplazm, Zealotry, Kahvi Collective, free Bandcamp releases and dozens of other GOOD FREE DIGITAL label/artists releases and websites with freebies.
Instead of discovering and praising those we just troll here.
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It's amazing how you fail to understand the point of this debate in your little rant about me. I guess your trolling prevent you from even bother to try to understand and I guess you should just be ignored
And thank you for totally ruining this debate. Both of you. I guess I'll ask the mods to close it as this has become absolutely nonsense in your little annoyed attack on my way of debating.
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It's the first time, actually, I feel regret about spending money/supporting artist (I have bought "Shameful Silence" on cd).
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Send it back to me and I will refund your loss.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 15:33
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Just to set the record straight here. I asked for this debate to be locked because it was ruined by two trolls who did not want to debate about the topic but about me personally.
I still do not understand why the debate was re-opened and I have asked Shahar to close it again since the debate will go nowhere (beside a lot of trolling) and no rules will be changed.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 00:23
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What you are looking for is an equal opportunity for the free advertising that being on the top of this relatively popular page represents ?
If you value publicity here, which you seem to, then why not also buy a banner ad or two and give your releases and artists an extra push.
I don't think anyone has said that the decision an artist or label makes about pricing or business model influences the quality of the music itself.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 01:32
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On 2011-04-11 00:23, andrew interchill wrote:
What you are looking for is an equal opportunity for the free advertising that being on the top of this relatively popular page represents ?
If you value publicity here, which you seem to, then why not also buy a banner ad or two and give your releases and artists an extra push.
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Ehmm no. I think you totally misunderstood the debate 
I ask to be able to open a post about my free album releases here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/forum-ambient-chill-out
just as Ott is allowed to do with his new CD/digital release (just an example).
Instead of only being allowed to post about it here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/listen-to-my-music-and-or-download-it-thread-all-related-post-here-please
I am not promoting many albums or any other artist than myself. Only my own few albums (an album every 2 years maybe). I run my own label only for my own releases. And since I release my music 100% free why should I pay for advertising (In a forum that does not think I am equal to CD artists)? I only ask to be treated equal with any other artists here. Nothing more nothing less.
I simply do not understand why it's such a big deal for you guys to consider us artists who release our albums for free as equal to any other artists here. It's beyond my logic.
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On 2011-04-11 00:23, andrew interchill wrote:
I don't think anyone has said that the decision an artist or label makes about pricing or business model influences the quality of the music itself.
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Well if that is the case then I am sure isratrance has no problem in allowing the free album artists to post side by side with the CD artist
And yes just the past days I have seen a few members here in all seriousness claim that CD artists are of higher quality. www.beatagency.dk |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 02:19
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There's no misunderstanding - it is clear that you want an equal opportunity to display your releases on this page in their own post as opposed into a general post.
Self promotion here is a kind of unpaid advertising - even if the aim of it, in your case, is not to drive a sale.
Why should you consider paid advertising too ? because you'll reach more people and be more effective in promoting your releases - assuming that is something you want to do. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 02:30
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On 2011-04-11 02:19, andrew interchill wrote:
There's no misunderstanding - it is clear that you want an equal opportunity to display your releases on this page in their own post as opposed into a general post.
Self promotion here is a kind of unpaid advertising - even if the aim of it, in your case, is not to drive a sale.
Why should you consider paid advertising too ? because you'll reach more people and be more effective in promoting your releases - assuming that is something you want to do.
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Sure and you are right about the paid advertising in the sense it will be seen by more people and I am not saying i wont advertise via paid banners. But I can't help feeling it come with a double standard. "We do not want you to promote your free albums on the same terms as those releasing on CD's but we welcome your advertising money".
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 16:49
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i think good music is good music, well,
i do charge money on my music mostly but i am also giving away and releasing free music.
it not saying it is less important or fall in quality if it is free. or more important.
it is not same as playing etc.
there is a lot of very famous artists that release free music(take radio head for example), i am sure it is count as a release no?
i like to bonus the people that supporting my music and share it and i am sure many other as well.
there is a lot of good music out there of people that not always got the time or efforts to publish it or so.
i believe if some one got a free track or such , he can put it in the demo section / listen my track or what ever section it is.
if it is an album,ep, well and it is official release by the artist or the label so there is no difference.
it is an official release
if it is aloud to chat on this genre here, so it is also ok to promote it.
each chat is kind of promotion no?
any way - it is isratrance rules here, so they can choose what ever they like
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DjSchofield
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 01:08
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Well said Itay. Now lock the thread someone! Quick! |
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 12:55
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Again, I'm very open- offer me a better solution to the problem raised (the section being clogged by threads from everyone making a track and releasing it in his newly founded label under his fresh artist project), and I'll be happy to use it.
I think the criteria we chose for labels & artists statuses is the best we could find and I think it should be used here as well (as is the case now).
You have a label / artist status on the forum- you can promote via your own thread- otherwise go to the master thread.
And no need to lock anything, just you know... be nice to each other. What's so difficult in that.
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
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Aldous Huxley
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 13:50
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The better solutions would be this:
Regarding release promotion in the Ambient and Chillout forum:
1. Allow CD, digital and free Album releases to be promoted in the general Ambient and Chillout forum.
2. All other free releases (single track, demo's ect.) are only allowed in:
"Listen to my music and/or download it thread- all related post here please!!!"
I really do not see how hard this can be
And seriously. Does one really need a Green or Blue status in order to be allowed to promote the releases? In that case please make me both Green and Blue thanks as I have tons of releases both free and on CD.
I asked Anders to close this topic because of two trolls who totally ruined the debate. I am all for keeping it open if those two trolls will stick to the topic and stop trolling and attack me in person.
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 16:07
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oh my .....
i'm following this topic in the last days, and realy , all this prose is useless ...
the section was quiet well manage until today .... and not even so "strict" , the rules where followed with a big flexibility IMO
only because bodhisatva add an unfortunate first post on http://forum.isratrance.com/4-soevnigt-sind-albums-for-free/
the balagan start ....
comon B.A. , please, give it a rest ... you are quiet boring .... no more fan of the trance section ?
many releases with no green/blue status where accepted in the last year , so what this is all about ?
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