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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 30, 2013 19:43
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On 2013-12-30 11:15, Upavas wrote:
You don't necessarily hear a pumping effect if the release of the sidechain compressor is very short. But at the given bass fundamental frequency together with the bpm you need to sidechain because somethings will overlap otherwise, unless you make the envelopes and midi notes so short that the fundamental frequency doesn't come through...
Btw. I recommend Trillian or hardware for bass... Alien 303 isn't very good in terms of transient and is not very good for bass at all imo... Sylenth also seems to do the trick...
I find it next to impossible to make a bassline that has proper staccato (groove guarantee) without being ducked by the kick signal...
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release on the sidechain compressor should be 1/16th time, depending on bpm or less, if you aim at -3dB of gain recution, the effect is going to be subtle yet very nice sounding - which is all we're looking for anyways.
vb1 is cool for this kind of bass sound! a little eq and compression will get you there instantly! |
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PsyTonic
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Posted : Dec 31, 2013 00:52
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I had a quick play with this last night and I did notice a positive difference adding significant sidechain compression to the bass with a 0 release time so great advice there guys! My original bassline sound was not great so needed it anyway. I swear I have made a baseline like this without sidechain compression using very short releases on the notes and not having any bass notes hit on or during the kick. ...thanks for sharing your techniques guys!
+1 for VB1
+1 for Trillian
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 31, 2013 03:56
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On 2013-12-31 00:52, PsyTonic wrote:
I had a quick play with this last night and I did notice a positive difference adding significant sidechain compression to the bass with a 0 release time so great advice there guys! My original bassline sound was not great so needed it anyway. I swear I have made a baseline like this without sidechain compression using very short releases on the notes and not having any bass notes hit on or during the kick. ...thanks for sharing your techniques guys!
+1 for VB1
+1 for Trillian
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http://musiccalculator.com/#bpm-delay-timing
check this out. 1/16 time for your given bpm is a good reference for the release on the sidechain compressor. I use 0 attack and 1/16th release time and about 3dB of gain reduction and that's it.
also good reference for setting up reverb's decay time of course, and stuff like that |
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PsyTonic
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Posted : Dec 31, 2013 06:09
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On 2013-12-31 03:56, frisbeehead wrote:
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On 2013-12-31 00:52, PsyTonic wrote:
I had a quick play with this last night and I did notice a positive difference adding significant sidechain compression to the bass with a 0 release time so great advice there guys! My original bassline sound was not great so needed it anyway. I swear I have made a baseline like this without sidechain compression using very short releases on the notes and not having any bass notes hit on or during the kick. ...thanks for sharing your techniques guys!
+1 for VB1
+1 for Trillian
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http://musiccalculator.com/#bpm-delay-timing
check this out. 1/16 time for your given bpm is a good reference for the release on the sidechain compressor. I use 0 attack and 1/16th release time and about 3dB of gain reduction and that's it.
also good reference for setting up reverb's decay time of course, and stuff like that
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Cool, thanks for that - good to know! I usually go by feel with writing beats as I am too impatient to learn theory but can see the benefits of knowing. More into the glitch hop scene at the moment also but a tasty rolling kick n bassline always pricks my ears up!
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Moss
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Posted : Dec 31, 2013 10:24
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PsyTonic
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Posted : Dec 31, 2013 10:59
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On 2013-12-31 10:24, Moss wrote:
Ok just one word: VB-1 
this plugin is the best for that type of basslines
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I have said it before but worth another mention, have a look at Psytrance Bass X1 plugin. Found here: http://www.123creative.com/plug-ins-synthesizers/498-psytrance-bass-x1-vst-basslinesynthesizer.html
The sounds that come out sound complete (need little fine tuning and no boosting) and it is super easy to use! Try the demo and see what you think. Would be interested in hearing other peoples thoughts...
Demo found here: http://www.123creative.com/attachment.php?id_attachment=297
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Arjuna
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Posted : Jan 6, 2014 06:20
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Hey guys, thanks for sharing all this tutorials and tips!
now i know much more abt compression and sidechaining hehehe
i did this track like 3 years ago.... i dont remember if i used sidechain, but probably yes... i usually use sidechain and play also with velocity controlling volume, sometime only sidechain, sometime only velocity, sometime both, depend on kick n bass.
Recently i realize that instead of equalizing and processing the kick to make it fit to the bass, sometime better just to change kick till i find the perfect one for the bass (or viceversa)
The bassline is Virus TI as i remember.... for me one of the best synth for bass, can reach low note without feeling muddy, but yeah need good equalization...
after many years of studio, i still have many doubts abt kick n bass, and many times the good combo kick n bass is coming just by chance
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 6, 2014 10:27
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Now now, you are being overly modest Arjuna, your kick bass kicks (and basses) some serious ass man. Both Greg and I were sitting at the fire when you started playing your own tunes @ Mandala, and we were both simultaneously going "wow, what an extremely super clean bass!!!"
I guess I need to buy a virus...
Btw., you coming there again next June man???
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jan 7, 2014 10:38
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On 2013-12-30 11:15, Upavas wrote:
I find it next to impossible to make a bassline that has proper staccato (groove guarantee) without being ducked by the kick signal...
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same here :/ thanks anyways for the sidechain hint! tried that on 160 bpm stuff years ago, but never been satisfied with the result. might do the trick on lower bpm. anyways always had to cut and fade out so far....
i hardly can believe you´re not satisfied with your bass arjuna ^^ any time i heared you playing it was mostly just plain gr8, clean stuff. i think it´s got to do a lot with listening enviroment, i´ve never been really satisfied with kick/bass so far, seems there´s no end of the road 
agree on the synth issue, sylenth doin good work besides sampled hardware or machines like trillian.
bare in mind a PA system forgives a lot of mistakes, though it might also give'em more presence!
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 8, 2014 17:10
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hey arjuna, that's a very modest post right there!
yeah, the virus seems to be able to get down there and not turn into a mess of a gritty muddy tone, like most soft synths do.
I usually EQ the three bad tritone frequencies away, then it's mostly a highpass and lowpass filter, earing in context with the Kick. It's important that the subs in the group don't get past a certain level. For me it's -20dB on PazAnalyser (waves), easy enough since at default it shows you a straight horizontal line in there and has the orange max peak line to check.
Doing this, I don't seem to have any kind of doubts in my mind when it comes to Bass |
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strossgodrill
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Posted : Jan 10, 2014 15:41
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Have some of you guys try to layer the mid and sub,
use the fm synth,play with enevolpes,eq higher bass patern with other eq for start. |
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splikz
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Posted : Jan 10, 2014 20:11
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On 2013-12-31 10:24, Moss wrote:
Ok just one word: VB-1
this plugin is the best for that type of basslines
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the old steinberg cs40 was nice too. |
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