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Forced Production vs. Natural Production!
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JohnTaramas
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 16:22
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On 2009-10-17 17:34, wizanda wrote:
Just play the tune dancing on the keyboard, rather then formulate ideas about design. 
Then once you got a funky happy melody, theorize after. 
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shellbound
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 16:55
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i think it's better to accept your natural tendencies and just flow with it. i only attempt to produce a small portion of the types of music i listen to. and if i forced myself to produce something that doesn't come out natural, it would sound exactly that... forced. although it's still a good idea to try to produce stuff you don't normally tend to produce. it'll help you grow and experiment and try different approaches. you can always incorporate what you learned into your natural music. you just have to approach it as an exercise. this way you can stay relaxed and not get too attached to the result, yet still benefit from the process.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 16:58
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i think that if your'e idea is to make happy melodies you should force yourself to do it because if you not succeed it meens you don't know how to do it and it's kind of a serious problem. you should control your track. and not just flow with it without thinking.
if you just create the music you know to create and not try to develop your prodation and music knowledge so you wont get better andyou will be bored from music sooner or later. it took me 8 months to finish my first track and i still should improve it. but i think because i was stubborn and wasnt harry to finish it till i was satisfied with it i learned a lot about controling my track flow and to do what i want to do. sometimes when i create my music i start to make parts that i after i notice it's notwhat i realy wanted to do or that it's good but not suitable with the track or to the exact time at the track so i save it and delete it so maybe these parts can be used in another tracks at the future... |
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 18:08
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You'd naturally fall from a bicycle if don't know how to ride it but if you "force" your self to keep trying eventually you will be able to do it and then after time you could master it.
It is by "forcing" us to do certain things that we learn, although is a nice idea to flow with our essence too. |
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shellbound
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 18:37
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On 2009-10-19 18:08, aciduss wrote:
You'd naturally fall from a bicycle if don't know how to ride it but if you "force" your self to keep trying eventually you will be able to do it and then after time you could master it.
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sure. except i don't think that's a really good example. you can master a craft by force. but i don't really think you can force art. and by "art" i mean pure self-expression. we are all unique in our ways. we learn differently. we like different things. we create differently. and i think it's important to be able to observe yourself and be very conscious of your natural tendencies.
you can master to play piano by brut force: you can do exercises and play pieces repeatedly until you can play them perfectly. this will guarantee results. however, you can't really apply the same approach, if you wanted to create timeless music. sure, you can try to write pieces over and over and over. but this time, it won't guarantee anything.
if you ignore your inner voice, then it just becomes a technical exercise. you might as well just write radio jingles.
if you force yourself to do morning psy, you will most likely eventually be able to "fake" it. it will sound like morning. it will have typical morning melodies. and it will have morning production values. but to true morning fans, it will be obviously forced and inauthentic.
maybe that's why there's so much generic music out there. people just force themselves to master something, while forgetting to listen to their own innervoices.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 18:52
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 19:03
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 19:17
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Hmmm... Radio jingles you say?
xD
I naturally tend to force myself. |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 21:46
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On 2009-10-19 18:37, septa wrote:
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On 2009-10-19 18:08, aciduss wrote:
You'd naturally fall from a bicycle if don't know how to ride it but if you "force" your self to keep trying eventually you will be able to do it and then after time you could master it.
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sure. except i don't think that's a really good example. you can master a craft by force. but i don't really think you can force art. and by "art" i mean pure self-expression. we are all unique in our ways. we learn differently. we like different things. we create differently. and i think it's important to be able to observe yourself and be very conscious of your natural tendencies.
you can master to play piano by brut force: you can do exercises and play pieces repeatedly until you can play them perfectly. this will guarantee results. however, you can't really apply the same approach, if you wanted to create timeless music. sure, you can try to write pieces over and over and over. but this time, it won't guarantee anything.
if you ignore your inner voice, then it just becomes a technical exercise. you might as well just write radio jingles.
if you force yourself to do morning psy, you will most likely eventually be able to "fake" it. it will sound like morning. it will have typical morning melodies. and it will have morning production values. but to true morning fans, it will be obviously forced and inauthentic.
maybe that's why there's so much generic music out there. people just force themselves to master something, while forgetting to listen to their own innervoices.
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Although I realize that this would boil down to the "can true art really be taught?" which further boils down to "what is art?" and we'd be going absolutely nowhere with this. Still I agree  |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 02:18
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i think that like everything in life you have to find the balance. you can't flow endlessly with the music. i don't uedi to make just morning fullon or something like this. but he say he want to make morning fullon. so i think at list he has to force himself one time to make it. after he would have the ability to do it again and than he can realy choose if he want his tracks to sounds happy or mad |
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Psyloxin604
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 03:08
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For me it's both. Sometimes I get what I'm looking for, but sometimes I just make some shitty stuff.
It depends on how I feel when I sit down to create.
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dharmatronic
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 11:58
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I also understand that if you want to produce morning psytrance doing low scales bassline ands pads and 150 bpm with screams samples and all that kind of stuff, I don't believe you might get happy songs... lol
So I would assume you would need to practice on reference well known as morning psytrance at least.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 12:01
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If you set limits on yourself (especially as a beginner) you are often going to disappoint yourself and get frustrated.
Create, and learn from what you create, and eventually you will have a better idea of how to make what you want.
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Zero-Blade
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 16:15
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Never force anything on music. Just relax and create the sounds you like. If you don't enjoy creating music, the music that you compose might become crap. If you really enjoy what you're making, it is good! ^_^
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 26, 2009 16:14
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I think that if you don't force yourself to sound like whats hot and new, you wont be hot and new.
When you already are hot and new, then you can differentiate yourself subtly.
Picasso said that mediocre artists copy, and great artists steal. In the context of psy it would mean, doing the same popular techniques, but in a better new way, so much so that everyone who had done it before sounded mediocre in comparison.
Art mimics life, but only in so much as it stimulates the one who experiences the art to think about what is being mimicked. And sometimes this is completely subjective, although then I doubt its art to anyone else.
I think it takes a great deal of insight into how people perceive, in order to manipulate their thoughts in a new direction.
Entertainers are skilled manipulators, to stimulate our thoughts and emotions in ways that make us feel happy to part with our money.
Some people are intuitively good at that, others must force themselves to learn. I believe that to become a real artist it helps when you dont have any other distractions like a comfy easy job. |
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