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For the producers/artists, let's talk about education!!
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maxim
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 16:55
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hello,
first a lil presentation of myself; My name's max, I'm from Belgium and I'm new on this forum... I started making music when I was 15, now I'm 19... and the genres I'm into are goa/experimental/downtempo/d&b and lot's of others actually..
Now....I struggled @ school(2 busy with tha music  ) and now I'm trying to take a big step forward, doing my 2 last years in a couple of months..and it's going smooth yeahh, I'm glad.
Before september this year, I have to make an important choise, viz. what kinda education I want to have...So I'm interested in what you guys did! Or maybe you did nothing at all but you can help me out with information...
My attention on this moment right now, goes to an SAE education. They offer SOUND ENGINEERING;digital film; and creative media courses. I went 2 see their schools in Brussels, Amsterdam & Rotterdam...and I have to say..waaaoooooooowww, it looks great ( and especially the one in Amsterdam!!)
voila, I hope I get some respons
thnx peeps
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pr0fane
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 16:58
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maxim
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 17:01
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that's what I thought in the first place, but I missed
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 17:24
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 17:51
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My advice would be to continue your education in an area that will enable you to find a good job. It sounds like you have already been making music for a while, and if you are dead set on making electronic music then you will already be in a good position to improve your skills and production with what you have at home.
Even with a qualification from SAE or somewhere like that it is VERY difficult to find paying work in this area and you will more than likely find yourself having to get a regular job anyway to support yourself while you work on your music; might as well arrange things so that you have a chance of getting a job that pays well.
I did a degree in Computing (graduated in 1993) and worked for a short while writing music for computer games. I now work 4 days a week for local government as a music technology tutor, and spend my evenings and weekends writing tracks, playing out, doing mastering for people, and posting kaka here  .
 Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 19:04
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I now work 4 days a week for local government as a music technology tutor,
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What excactly do u do?!? |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 19:28
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I teach school children (between the ages of 8 and 15) how to use computer software to make music. Starts with eJay (I have about 8 different versions) and moves up through Magix Music Maker, Acid, Reason, and finally Cubase. I travel round the county of Somerset visiting schools for up to a couple of hours at a time, taking half-hour groups of 3 or 4 kids. They give me a laptop, an RME Multiface, an Evolution MK-225C keyboard and all the software.
Ok, not 'give', more like 'let me have the use of'... 
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 19:39
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On 2005-03-31 17:51, Colin OOOD wrote:
...you will more than likely find yourself having to get a regular job anyway to support yourself while you work on your music; might as well arrange things so that you have a chance of getting a job that pays well.
I did a degree in Computing (graduated in 1993) and worked for a short while writing music for computer games. I now work 4 days a week for local government as a music technology tutor, and spend my evenings and weekends writing tracks, playing out, doing mastering for people, and posting kaka here .
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I agree with you Colin. I'm software engineer (Linux Real-Time Embedded, Digital TV applications etc.) and I work for paying my synths (hobby) and other things.
Regular job is very important! |
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maxim
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 20:18
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yeah, that's right a regular job is very important, but what if I must say that music is the only thing I'm so interested in! Then my abilities are rare huh? But if I do the SAE cours for the engineering diploma and it suits me and I take it to the degree level so I see things about Marketing, Management, Legal Issues etc.. This would have to give me more potential to find a suitable job, No?
Undertow: thnx for the link mate,..very good 2 see peoples oppinion about SAE..
hmmm..you see, it will be a hard nut to crack!
thnx for the replies so far.. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 20:32
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On 2005-03-31 20:18, maxim wrote:
yeah, that's right a regular job is very important, but what if I must say that music is the only thing I'm so interested in! |
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Do you think any of us here with jobs really want to be doing what we're doing? You're not the only one who is only interested in music; there are about 50,000,000 other people with the same all-consuming interest and they're all after the same career as you. I'm one of them. Some of them are a lot better at it than you, too, and it takes more than just being interested in something to be good at it. I'm not saying your not good at what you do, I'm sure you have a talent, but your 'abilities' are not that rare and there will always someone better at it than you are. It's good to accept this and move on - it will save you a lot of pain later.
You have my advice, for what it's worth; if it's not what you want to hear then I guess that's my bad luck, and I'm sorry. But I've been doing music now for longer than you've been alive, and I've wanted it as my career for 30 years now, ever since I started playing the piano (I'm 35, by the way)... this is what life has taught me so far.
Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net |
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Meta
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 21:01
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The man Colin makes sense... as we've discussed on here previously, many "career" psy-trance people are able to have their life style becuase they are trust-fund kids or still live with their parents. If you are one of the few people that get to rise from obscurity and get paid enough to have it be a career, that's great, but what comes after that? Are you still going to want to be doing the same thing 15 years from now? Will the scene still exist in a state that you want to be your only means of support?
Colin sounds like he's lucky to have that kind of job. The idea of having the GOVERNMENT pay people to teach children how to use electronic music tools here in America is absolutely unthinkable.
If you're really that dedicated, try to look at getting a 'good job' as a means to help your music. That may sound strange, but being a musician costs a lot of money. Building a studio is very expensive and the list of new toys/tools never ceases to grow.
To be fair, some "creative schools" do offer a variety of job placement for their graduates. Do some research about that school, if they have a good record of placing graduates with jobs that have some practical application, then that might be the best of both worlds.
http://soundcloud.com/aeon604
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Lithium
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 21:03
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wise words colin
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 21:22
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On 2005-03-31 21:03, Lithium wrote:
wise words colin
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Yeah, besides he makes very cool tracks, he has an opinion that really makes sense. I would live producing tracks, but the world is real, so we need to pay for our toys, travels, food etc. hehehe I'm 30 y.o. |
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mubali
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 22:16
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Another thing that hasn't quite been mentioned yet, Take a music theory course. You might not think now that it is relevant, but it honestly does really help you in your sound design as well as your song arrangement. The best thing that I ever did in middle school was learn to play the viola. I wasn't very good at it, but at the same time they taught me music theory concepts that to this day really assist me. Though I do really miss my viola, I am so glad I don't have to sightread anymore....
Interesingly enough, it was in high school that I first discovered music making programs. Our principle violinist wrote a piece from scratch for us to play and I thought it was sooo cool that he could actually write music that I made the attempt to write a concerto. Needless to say, it didn't go very well, but I still remember attempting to write the score... Offtopic, does anyone use a score editor to write their music???
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Pypedream
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Posted : Mar 31, 2005 22:36
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'maxim' you have the distinct advantage of starting young. I was 27 when I began listening and collecting, but 33 when I began constructing my studio. I am fortunate enough to have a government job that allows me plenty of free time to read and absorb music technology. It also generates the steady revenue I need to feed my passion. I too have looked at various programs but for now I am content to read and experiment in my own way on my own time. Luckily, there are more books and online resources than ever before. You will ultimately invest a lot of time to extract a little knowledge.
So, decide what you want, decide what you are willing to exchange for it. Establish your priorities and go to work. But don't forget that there is no substitute for an education and the work experience you will need to provide financial stability throughout your life.
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