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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 08:02
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Hello... i am new in all of this producing music stuff. I know you must frequently face stupid questions like this (and yes i did search the forum first) but i don't know where else could i find some answers.
I am begining to understand a simple and yet powerful software (FLStudio) and since my intention is to produce psytrance i am looking for all posible information that may help me out.
ok... here is more or less what i would like to know...
1. VST plugins for psy sounds.
2. Any online sample library for psy sounds.
3. Any site(or anyone) to get a psy trance project fully made with FLstudio (i know i'd need the samples).
Note that i am not trying to rip anyone's work i just want to see how a complete psytrance song is made and which are the tools commonly used for achieving so, you know, basslines, risers, breakbts, vocals, etc.
Thanks in advance for all your time and cooperation, remember that any info realated to FLstudio and psytrance together maybe helpful to this god'damn newbie. |
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psypox
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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 08:56
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the buz thingy thats in FL is realy cool.. you cam make some wicked saw psytrance leads
and Sytrus is wicked too 
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Posted : Apr 15, 2005 14:55
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I ve seen once a Wizzy Noise enviroment in Reason.
Hehehe...if he had the racks in real,he would need a building...
I dont think u could find a pro enviroment for Fruity from well known artists.There should b some for Eurotrance...like the demosong i remember from ver.3
You could try this:
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~easwaran/papers/psytrance.html
Cool Huh?
1. VST plugins for psy sounds:Tweaking Z3ta+,Vanguard,Albino2,Arp2600 and a new freeware posted above could make u happy.
2.Samples.U could use anything sounds good or not;-) for layering into ur trax.
Wellcome
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 02:37
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Thanks u all for the info. I'll make u know if i get any further doubts 
ciao |
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talolard
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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 14:27
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aciduss.
don't use fruity.
i've been using fruity for 2.5 years or so. its fun, its easy and its intuitive.
but their comes a pont when it just cant give you what you want and then you need to move on to cubase or logic.
moving on is really hard, it's so frustrating trying to learn a new interace and wasting hours trying to figure the most simple stuf out when you could open fruity and flow.
save yourself the pains that will come. switch to cubase now.
Work like you don't need the money.
Love like you've never been hurt.
Dance like nobody's watching.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 17:43
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I have to agree with talolard.
But either way you choose to goo i would recommend for you to learn as many programs as you can...
Aim for a classical sequencer at first, its the best thing to start with, a solid ground, you can move on to FL Studio later or Reason or Project 5 or whatever, as they take less time to learn, and thats because you will have a knowledge-base, knowing about the tools terminology...
bottomline is, you will dedicate most time in the program that you "connect" the most with.. but first you need to try them.
learning the easier things first is like digging a grave just to realize when you put the coffin in that the whole grave needs to be deeper... |
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RaSSahMunKaBuh
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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 22:30
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On 2005-04-16 14:27, talolard wrote:
aciduss.
don't use fruity.
i've been using fruity for 2.5 years or so. its fun, its easy and its intuitive.
but their comes a pont when it just cant give you what you want and then you need to move on to cubase or logic.
moving on is really hard, it's so frustrating trying to learn a new interace and wasting hours trying to figure the most simple stuf out when you could open fruity and flow.
save yourself the pains that will come. switch to cubase now.
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höpö höpö .... |
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 22:31
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Thanks for your comments... the truth is that i am kindof afraid of learning another program, you are right, fruity is so intuitive and aparently easy.
I think i'll try cubase... but maybe i could use some advice and how to get to know it. It amazes me how u can find almost any tutorial on Photoshop, 3dmax, and/or any graphical software out there but for music software it is almost impossible for the newbies to learn... could you be so kind and tell me the main differences between FL and cubase...
thanks a lot for your time
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psyntax
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Posted : Apr 17, 2005 22:16
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Well.. i was using FL Studioto make psytrance stuff around 1 year and yeah, that the forum say it's a kewl software, intuitive and more. in a personal case i think that i "domain" FL un a 95% and yeah, you can make a very powerfull psy songs with it,if you have the knowledge to module the eq. and that kind of stuff you can do so good music, but in this case i think Cubase SX2/SX3 is the real winner. You can use whatever software that you want via Rewire, and u can use cubase as your sequencer. and work with Reason, Fruity and Cubase in 1 song.
I think that not exists a software directed to make Psytrance songs, the thing here is the skill that you have to do it! hehe.
Well, as you say, the basics of a psysong it's easy. a good bassline (muon-tau, neon, audiorealism, tritium, vanguard, sytrus) a good lead (Absynth, Albino), a good kick (soundforge, wavelab), a good snares/hats/etc (with the packs on FL), a very big gallo (marijuana lol) and a lot LOT of ideas to make that fatbasslines, and acidized melodies..whatever Psytrance is the music of the Gods.
If you have questions, feel free to ask me on msn: psyntax@id.ru
Y A SEGUIRLE DANDO COMPADRE!!!
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Posted : Apr 17, 2005 22:47
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I think that not exists a software directed to make Psytrance songs, the thing here is the skill that you have to do it! hehe.
Well, as you say, the basics of a psysong it's easy. a good bassline (muon-tau, neon, audiorealism, tritium, vanguard, sytrus) a good lead (Absynth, Albino), a good kick (soundforge, wavelab), a good snares/hats/etc (with the packs on FL), a very big gallo (marijuana lol) and a lot LOT of ideas to make that fatbasslines, and acidized melodies..whatever Psytrance is the music of the Gods.
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U r kiddin,r8?
1. one hardware at least is recommended,
Fruity samples sux,
2.I dont remember how to draw automation and make this object into fruty.
Its just a kidish nice toy to have a start,cause its made for loops even if when i was a kid i didnt understand it so i jumped to Logic ;-)
I dont say that things cant be done in Fruity,but no pro works with it.
U remind me a friend of mine who believes that cause he knows fruity he is a sound engineer 
Somebody told me that if u like to be a pro you should work like a pro,
I am still trying
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psyntax
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 05:38
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On 2005-04-17 22:47, ana3imandros wrote:
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I think that not exists a software directed to make Psytrance songs, the thing here is the skill that you have to do it! hehe.
Well, as you say, the basics of a psysong it's easy. a good bassline (muon-tau, neon, audiorealism, tritium, vanguard, sytrus) a good lead (Absynth, Albino), a good kick (soundforge, wavelab), a good snares/hats/etc (with the packs on FL), a very big gallo (marijuana lol) and a lot LOT of ideas to make that fatbasslines, and acidized melodies..whatever Psytrance is the music of the Gods.
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U r kiddin,r8?
1. one hardware at least is recommended,
Fruity samples sux,
Sure, youre right. It's better using HW but to ppl that no have much $$$ is not viable .
2.I dont remember how to draw automation and make this object into fruty.
Yeah, you can automate everything on FL, the VST's too
Its just a kidish nice toy to have a start,cause its made for loops even if when i was a kid i didnt understand it so i jumped to Logic ;-)
I dont say that things cant be done in Fruity,but no pro works with it.
FL Studio is nice to Start on psytrance but is not the best that i was was saying.
U remind me a friend of mine who believes that cause he knows fruity he is a sound engineer
Somebody told me that if u like to be a pro you should work like a pro,
I am still trying
Yeah, im not kidding, well, im not a PRO, and im not a sound enginner, i do stuff only by hobbie (i dont eat making music ), and yes, nowadays i know Reason 2.5,FL Studio and im starting with Cubase SX. You remember me as the ppl that talk about some topic thinking in that she knows ALL about, but he dont know nothing.
Somebody told me that if u like to be a pro you should work like a pro, <- You need more to make a pro, not only by having Cubase and
a MIDI interface youre a "PRO", you need use it!!...lol
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 05:52
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On 2005-04-17 22:47, ana3imandros wrote:
U r kiddin,r8?
1. one hardware at least is recommended,
Fruity samples sux,
2.I dont remember how to draw automation and make this object into fruty.
Its just a kidish nice toy to have a start,cause its made for loops even if when i was a kid i didnt understand it so i jumped to Logic ;-)
I dont say that things cant be done in Fruity,but no pro works with it.
U remind me a friend of mine who believes that cause he knows fruity he is a sound engineer
Somebody told me that if u like to be a pro you should work like a pro,
I am still trying
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1. Just wrong. U don't need any hardware, just ur pc.
2. Seems u never used fruity really, so u are even not able to judge about it. Ur comment is just unqualified.
It were made to make loops, nowadays it is just another sequencer. Tell me a reason why you think it is kidish, coz of the skin?
Sure lot of pros work with fruity, again u proove ur lack of knowledge.
This is just lame.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 06:58
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Thanks for your comments.
Here i go again... maybe i am asking just too much but you'll see, i am just plain new to this and need so much help cause i am not a musician just a boy with a boy with a new hobbie.
For some reasons i couldn't install cubase so i'm still on Fruity and now i am asking your cooperation cause i really would like to know how a psy bassline is made and i don't mean the sound only... i wanna look how a bassline is made so maybe someone could set up a simple psy bassline (or a whole drumloop ) on a FLP file to let me look on how the magic is done... a screenshot would be helpful too.
Thanks in advance for all your time and help... i know sometimes this kind of posts are annoying but as i have said, i wouldn't find answers anywhere.
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talolard
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Posted : Apr 21, 2005 22:53
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the mother of all bassline thread
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/56391/forum/2
mike a's excellent bassline tutorial
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/53266/forum/2
two notes.
1. pay attention to what kaz says over and over thru out these threads.
2. use the search.
as for your sticking with fruity dont do it. take a break from creating music until ytou install cubase. im serious man, fruity is like heroin, you will have a really hard time moving to anything else once you get locked in.
you are goign thru exactly what i went thru, everyone said use cubase, bvut i ahd trouble installing it and it was a hard program and i just wanted to learn to make music, i didnt care abotu 2 3 years down the line. and now im fucked. DONT USE FRUITY. USE CUBASE NOW. take the time to make it work on your computer.
tal
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 22, 2005 15:11
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jeezes talolard... I started with fruity 2 (and still use version 4.5.1 right now). I use it extensively and know it inside out, and i really like it as a creative tool, as a musical notepad to make loops and variations. But since 2 years i've been using cubase too, and it was a steep learning curve, and i was really frustrated with it, but i pushed thru (and got a GREAT personal tutorial from a friend of mine, without that i wouldn't have started with it, ur right about that...) and now i'm almost as fast in cubase as in fruity... But i still like using fruity, cuz i'm much more creative in fruity... It's something with the interface that makes me want to play with it, cubase doesn't have that at all... Cubase is more like a 'tool' to me, it doesn't spark me in the least... But it's a great tool, and an important tool... I just do't want people to flog fruity, it's a great programme in it's own right, just don't compare it to cubase, because they're incomparable... Anyway, cubase costs 5 times more, and you don't get 5 times more features... so hail fruity, fuck cubase and migrate to rosegarden (which is every bit as powerfull as cubase but free) |
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