aciduss
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Posted : May 7, 2010 21:01:41
Once i thought i had mastered hihats... i get pretty nice loops of my own but when compared to released tracks i always feel mine are not flowing the same way.
I don't know what is that i am missing... i use several hi hats samples... Open hats, closed hihats, tams, shakers, etc.
I like to layer hihats n tams each 16th to get groovey feelings, i place a couple of nice layered Openhats on the offbeat and some accent percs here and there... but still can't get them sounding like every pro psytrack out there...
I just spent like 2 hours trying to rearrange them in order to get a more fluent rythm, now i feel very frustrated...
please help me isratrancers
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Posted : May 7, 2010 22:41
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On 2010-05-07 21:01:41, aciduss wrote:
Once i thought i had mastered hihats... i get pretty nice loops of my own but when compared to released tracks i always feel mine are not flowing the same way.
I don't know what is that i am missing... i use several hi hats samples... Open hats, closed hihats, tams, shakers, etc.
I like to layer hihats n tams each 16th to get groovey feelings, i place a couple of nice layered Openhats on the offbeat and some accent percs here and there... but still can't get them sounding like every pro psytrack out there...
I just spent like 2 hours trying to rearrange them in order to get a more fluent rythm, now i feel very frustrated...
please help me isratrancers
a sound example would be nice
...
but i fear i cannot help you cuz i'm new with producing and i'm currently stuck with the same problem
so any hints would be very very helpful !!!
makus
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Posted : May 7, 2010 22:54
The first rule of hats club- find great samples.
However more often we have to play with not so great samples. I like to process hats before I use them. Hipass, if needed, a bit of brightness with some fatty analog style eq, an envelope shaper (or any kind of trancsient modulator) helps a lot to make hats some crisp and punchy.
Don't be afraid to put more effects on hihats, such as phaser and autopan (heh, I wish to hear the same words from Lenny Kravitz or Britney Spears). Helps make hats diverse. Use some room verb.
Now, the pattern is very important. 16th is fine but nowadays you can't afford to be so straightforward, if you want to be a bit different.
I use 3-5 different hats sounds, sometimes simultaneously. The pattern which i create is pure imagination. I start with more or less random throwing different hat sounds on the audio tracks, listen to that and correct the pattern until it sounds perfectly in rhythm and has right accents. Accents are VERY important. They make groove.
Start with less number of sample in the pattern, and as the track goes - make it more complicated. Each 4th and 8th bar you shoul make a small brake of some sort.
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Posted : May 8, 2010 16:26
I'm not a pro but i think that your samples need the right length (for example the 1/16 for 145 bpm is 103.4ms) in order to make your track groovy and tight. this is for kick, bass, hats, fx stabs etc.
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Posted : May 8, 2010 18:02
I'm pretty stuck in my ways with my hi hats but it seems to be working for me.
I maybe 1 or 2 samples tops, and have some massive variety in velocity from clear and pronounced to almost inaudible ghost notes. Most often in 16th patterns with a few 32nd rolls here and there for punctuation.
I find they don't sound like they're rolling unless the sizzle. Low pass 24db slope anywhere above 14000 and maybe a 6db high pass somewhere between 500hz and 2000hz. Maybe a little distortion also.
As with basslines play around with the length also. If you're drum machine can link velocity to tuning that's always fun too. Flange and phase effects at cycles Just under 1/4 bar is a nice way of adding artificial movement. Maybe even stacking a couple of subtle phasers can be nice. Maybe stereo widen a few hits by delaying one side of the stereo.
I never really compress hats also.
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Posted : May 8, 2010 18:44
I think it's all about the way how
closed hats flow into open hats, ride cymbals and vice versa.
It creates a flowing wave sensation... just like it's being played live.
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Posted : May 8, 2010 22:57
a sample would be great, we have such nice soundcloud copy paste funcions nowdays xD
www.soundcloud.com/orgytime
musAphira
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Posted : May 8, 2010 23:48
btw. here's an old thread (from me) with nearly the same question. maybe there are some tips for you!
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Posted : May 9, 2010 11:40
To get realistic grooves from hihats u need to work off the snap to grid , its all about setting them abit off the 16th , sometimes ahead or behind depends and also ghost hits help with grooves specially snares apart from that there is swing too. If you wanna learn, search for some midi drum arrangements in google and see their placements. On top of that its nice also to add drum overheads and finally bus compress them and its grooovey!
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Posted : May 10, 2010 18:42
Hey, thanks a lot for all of yer replies... specially makus i found your words inspiring.
I'll try to upload something is just that i no longer have internet at home so i'd have to bring the rendered hats to work
Mute... just one question... what do you mean by "drum overheads" thanks.
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Posted : May 11, 2010 01:14
here you can see a transient shaper wich makus mentioned above:
check 1:40 (warning, german xD but you can hear what it does)
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Posted : May 12, 2010 11:42
Thats parallel compression or NY technique whatever..Really good tho
Drum Overheads is like layering other drum patterns with your existing one so i would add like a cool hihat shuffle with some stinky reverb and noise and it make my drums sound fatter this is more of DNB thing cuz of the accoustic drums rather then your Tr909 stuff not to say it cant be done but i dont like Tr-909 sounds anyway. In general recordings its a mic capturing the entire drum kit along with room accoustics , this is apart from the individual mic placements which are summed up together ,compressed and result.!
Get this sample packs , its a 1 or 2 bar loop of some cool sounding accoustic drums , chop it if u like and add to a sampler , arrange or use recycle or what have you to adjust the tempo to your track. Dont worry there are very few ppl in electronic music who know how to program drums on midi and myself included except i find it really easy now since i have a machinedrum and mpc for just that , almost everyone uses samples now just cuz its easy and instant results but try and learn how they r arranged in midi , i have recently starting learning myself too.
Goodluck and i hope i made sense , actualy i typed a nice tutorial for you but the forum didnt want to accept it and i cant get arssed to write it again =)
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