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Jeto
Jeto
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 11:14
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this is turning into a fruity vs other sequencer debate ?
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On 2004-12-01 16:46, eliran17 wrote:
i think that there are two main reasons for the quality difrencess which can be lead to many others, first , sounds in fruity are mainly produce by samples which mean that they could be in a bad* quality (*not neccary bad but not as good as...) in compare of strong plug-ins and vstis. second , you may use a vst on fruity but after loading sevral vstis you can see your cpu bouncing and ofcourse the usage of effects is critical here (expirience) ... and fruity users know what i'm talikig about .
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I thought Fruity had bad sound.
The sample Library wasnt as good as say "Reason" but if you are using samples from another source its great sequencer.
Very "On The Go".
I never really liked Fruity becuase when I used it It was no record audio.
So its not a very power sequencer for me.
But now its got so much more functions.
I wouldnt mind trying a demo or something
and hopefully they added some more samples to thier library since last time I used.
Reading about all this news it seems like a much more powerful sequencer. Everything one would need to create music.  https://www.djjeto.com |
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eliran17
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 14:45
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its realy an endlees debet but in the end you can't realy compare fruity to cubase they just too seprate in thier basices...
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EYB
Noized
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 15:14
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On 2004-12-02 14:45, eliran17 wrote:
its realy an endlees debet but in the end you can't realy compare fruity to cubase they just too seprate in thier basices...
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???????????????
1. It is not endless
2. Of course u can, look this 3 pages of comparing
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Mo-Dul
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 17:23
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Well, a fact is a fact, FL cannot export in
24bit/96Khz while Cubase can!
Even raising the sampler interpolation to
256 sinc depth does not change the quality!
And by the way I work with 24/96 s.card!
The only solution i found decent to all the
FL users it the rewire the FL to the Cubase!
Peace..
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Dec 3, 2004 23:13
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On 2004-12-01 16:46, eliran17 wrote:
i think that there are two main reasons for the quality difrencess which can be lead to many others, first , sounds in fruity are mainly produce by samples which mean that they could be in a bad* quality (*not neccary bad but not as good as...) in compare of strong plug-ins and vstis. second , you may use a vst on fruity but after loading sevral vstis you can see your cpu bouncing and ofcourse the usage of effects is critical here (expirience) ... and fruity users know what i'm talikig about .
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buy RAM ! hehe 
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On 2004-12-03 17:23, Mo-Dul wrote:
Well, a fact is a fact, FL cannot export in
24bit/96Khz while Cubase can!
Even raising the sampler interpolation to
256 sinc depth does not change the quality!
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u right.
it can only do 16/32 bit 96000 
and 256 sync makes diffrence....
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Mo-Dul
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Posted : Dec 4, 2004 14:41
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Hey there Mr. Sattel Battle,
It's soooo hard to hear the differens when
I raised the sampler quality... This is not
serios at all!
In my opinion working with 16bit (CD quality) is not serios, 24bit (DVD quality) is a good quality of sound to produce music!
It's only a metter of time when cd's will
be gone and people will start working on dvd's!
Peace..
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 4, 2004 21:56
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Mo-Dul
What you should hear when you resample sample rate and bit depth of 16bit/44.1khz to 24bit/96khz ? Spanish is cool language but 16bit still serious, let's call it more relevant since CD are main source of music distribution. Time machines are my favorite sci-fi subject but the only matter is music we make not sound quality we talk. |
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Mo-Dul
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Posted : Dec 4, 2004 23:30
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well...you are right, but there is a reason
why the best work is done on 24bit/96Khz.
This reason is the same reason why people
work with monitors, you should count that
with other speakers you will not hear all
the freq you need to hear. In that case any
compressor/gate limiter you will use won't do
the job as you need. this will cause more and
more problems in the final mastering process!
I believe that every job should be done perfectly, that's the way I work!!!
Peace..
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 5, 2004 01:57
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On 2004-12-03 17:23, Mo-Dul wrote:
Well, a fact is a fact, FL cannot export in
24bit/96Khz while Cubase can!
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Uhh, that's not a fact at all. You can export at any sample rate (including 96k) and at 32 bit - which is better than 24 bit, and can be converted to 24 bit 100% losslessly.
Get the facts right before you tell people what they are, ok?
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Mo-Dul
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Posted : Dec 5, 2004 17:56
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On 2004-12-05 01:57, thockin wrote:
You can export at any sample rate (including 96k) and at 32 bit - which is better than 24 bit, and can be converted to 24 bit 100% losslessly.
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The 32bit exporting is only in float mode!!!
Do you even know what is float???
And converted to 24 bit 100% losslessly is not true!
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 5, 2004 18:49
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24bit and 96khz has nothing to do with "sounds good" as you say, it is just more accurate/detailed sample which can be detected by electronic devices only.
24bit means whole number 24bit, common in mathematics as integer.
taken from Dictionary : A complete unit or entity
32bit float means almost 32bit integer, float numbers are not whole numbers (example 31.93253592759372)
What Thockin was trying to say is, if you export something at 32bit float and convert is using accurate decoder to 24bit it will be the same as export at 24bit. Which is true practically but no theoreticly
Modul you sound theoretical rather than practical person while your theorems knowledge is damn poor. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 07:54
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The 32bit exporting is only in float mode!!!
Do you even know what is float???
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Mo Dul, I'm about to make you look stupid - ready for it?
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And converted to 24 bit 100% losslessly is not true!
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All modern computers store floating point numbers in IEEE754 format. IEEE754 specifies 2 types: float (32 bits) and double (64 bits). An IEEE754 float has a 23 bit mantissa plus an implied bit. Thus, it has exactly 24 bit precision (actually, it also has a sign bit - 25 bit precision).
What this means, for people who are not mathematiciand or computer scientists, is that any 24 bit integer can be EXACTLY represented in a float. Anything.
So Mo Dul, a 32 bit float is, in fact just as good as 24 bit. Better, actually. It has MORE precision. So if you want 24 bits, you have it.
If you don't believe me, feel free to look it up. Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
H20: the theory and the reality DO match on this one. It's a simple matter of data representation. |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 10:47
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thockin i'm in doubt. Float number can't be never integer. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 23:29
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On 2004-12-06 10:47, H2O wrote:
thockin i'm in doubt. Float number can't be never integer.
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H2): look it up, then. I really don't feel like explaining binary representation and significant digits over and over. A float has 24 bits of mantissa. That means it can store 24 bit numbers exactly. Try it.
Further - every audio app uses floating point numbers internally. When you export 24 bits. you're getting the result of the conversion. FL just leaves that conversion step out, and lets you have the unconverted data.
This argument is silly. Believe me or don't. I don't have any reason to force knowledge on you if you're unwilling to accept fact.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 6, 2004 23:45
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I tried to find any information about these but without success. Moreover i don't really care, let's hope your right, for me it doesn't matter at all it is whole number or not due to huge bitrate !
My next question is. If FL5 has 32bit float render than why i can't use 24bit samples inside of it? |
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