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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 21:14
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The sound quality of VSTis in FLStudio is EXACTLY the same as that of Cubase and any other respectable sequencer. Any bad sound quality is because people have a hard time working without numerical values in all the measurements (the one feature that's so obviously missing that I was sure they'd apply it in v5, but I guess I was wrong), or just lack of work. The export sound quality is exactly the same as Cubase as well. Don't blame the sequencer for your sound mistakes, it doesn't work that way.
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bandarlog
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 21:24
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Make sure you export in the highest quality (256 sinc depth), it's not standard set...(I was recently told). |
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H2O
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 21:52
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Global Trance Network and Kaz
Can you provide any proof based on facts when you call bad/good sound engine to any sequencer . Moreover can you explain what is sound engine and what are the differences between these two application according to their sound engine .
I've been reading many threads on various ms-boards about comparison between sequencers but my thoughts after the reading were "The writer much more emotional than rational" . |
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 23:30
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On 2004-11-30 21:14, kaz wrote:
The sound quality of VSTis in FLStudio is EXACTLY the same as that of Cubase and any other respectable sequencer. Any bad sound quality is because people have a hard time working without numerical values in all the measurements (the one feature that's so obviously missing that I was sure they'd apply it in v5, but I guess I was wrong), or just lack of work. The export sound quality is exactly the same as Cubase as well. Don't blame the sequencer for your sound mistakes, it doesn't work that way.
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I also agree.. Inclusively there's people I know who use logic and talk bad about FL's quality. As I use both I often crack their heads up with songs made in FL... they ask "logic right?" -answer "of course  with that quality, what else could it be?" ... its something like the placebo effect. |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 30, 2004 23:58
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well , i wont get into the debate of telling that FL sound is bad / not as good as Sx ... but ill tell u my experience ...
maybe u can then decide for urself ...
i make a trk completely in nuendo 2.2 and i knw how it sounds ... next day i make new trk in FL5 and i know how it sounds ... and some how i feel trk made in nuendo is better than trk made in fl5 ....
now im same guy using both softwares , same ears , same monitors ,same plugins and same experience and same technique .. then y there is difference that my ears can hear ??
this is the only thing i dont understand .. !! |
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bandarlog
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 15:46
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@GTN: Well, test it! Make a lead with the exact same settings and plugins in nuendo and FL and try to hear a difference. To be unbiased about the issue: let a friend decide which is played, then you try and hear the difference... there is no difference (I have tested it with a nuendo lover...we found no difference at all).
I think a lot of people say fl has bad quality because the wrong efx are used, like fast lp. Some of the efx in fruity suck and mess up your sound and clarity. Another thing that seems to make fruity sound worse is the stereo seperation that is standard set to 'off'. |
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eliran17
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 16:46
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i think that there are two main reasons for the quality difrencess which can be lead to many others, first , sounds in fruity are mainly produce by samples which mean that they could be in a bad* quality (*not neccary bad but not as good as...) in compare of strong plug-ins and vstis. second , you may use a vst on fruity but after loading sevral vstis you can see your cpu bouncing and ofcourse the usage of effects is critical here (expirience) ... and fruity users know what i'm talikig about .
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eliran17
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 16:50
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and i think that this is the place to ask about the fruity dashboard. i tried to learn a littele bit on this tool but with no good results , what are the uses of this one , how to contol it any information will help. 
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 17:43
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Bandarlog, i want to be sure you understand what does interpolation means. When you export any sound on 256 sinc depth, means you make line between two dots(sample resolution) divided to much more dots which leads to same sample accuracy just with more dots. That's maybe why Steinberg or Emagic keep their sequencers clean of this useless function. Maybe i'm wrong.
Also you say that Fruity's VST and VSTi are low quality but what does make you think this way ? Maybe some of here users like Global Trance Network can hear the "bad quality" of Fruity as sequencer same as you can hear "bad quality" of Fruity's instruments and FX which probably made by same developers.
Can you be less emotional ? |
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Kaz
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:02
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The entire point of VST/VSTi plugins is that they generate and edit the sounds with their own engines. With this in mind, there is no possible way that FL's sound is worse. FL just causes people to be lazy, and it's internal plugins usually stink. As long as you use external tools, you will get the exact same results in Cubase and in FL (ok, the automation is fractionally smoother in Cubase, but you can't hear the difference, it is around -95db compared to the original signal, effectively inaudible).
How's this for not emotional?
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 18:10
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Kaz this is the truth, i guess. I think you, Fruity users for once should create proof to your words and put online same sequence, on same volume done by both sequencers with additional FLP and CPR of this sequence . |
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bandarlog
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 19:25
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On 2004-12-01 17:43, H2O wrote:
Bandarlog, i want to be sure you understand what does interpolation means. When you export any sound on 256 sinc depth, means you make line between two dots(sample resolution) divided to much more dots which leads to same sample accuracy just with more dots. That's maybe why Steinberg or Emagic keep their sequencers clean of this useless function. Maybe i'm wrong.
Also you say that Fruity's VST and VSTi are low quality but what does make you think this way ? Maybe some of here users like Global Trance Network can hear the "bad quality" of Fruity as sequencer same as you can hear "bad quality" of Fruity's instruments and FX which probably made by same developers.
Can you be less emotional ?
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You are absolutely right H2O... I'm the first to admitt that I know far from everything about fruity or soundengineering. I 've just noticed that songs from various people using the fruity vst's (I didn't mention vsti's from fruity) sound less, especially when they use fast lp (but then again: probably because it's not used properly, like: too much cutting of higher frequencies and adding resonance)anyway...
About the 256 sinc: I have no idea what it does, but if it says higher quality... I use it, no matter if I can hear it here thru my monitors or not. It's just a tip I got from someone. These things you say should eb said more imo... We have a saying about this kind of stuff:
"The emperor weares no clothes..."
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 1, 2004 20:06
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On 2004-12-01 16:46, eliran17 wrote:
i think that there are two main reasons for the quality difrencess which can be lead to many others, first , sounds in fruity are mainly produce by samples which mean that they could be in a bad* quality (*not neccary bad but not as good as...) in compare of strong plug-ins and vstis.
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I don't understand why u think that sounds in fruity are made mainly with samples. It depends on the way of working of the user. Same with cubase: U can use only samples, only vsti (it is possible) or both (the most common way). So of course if u use lot of samples u need quality samples to get quality sound.
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second , you may use a vst on fruity but after loading sevral vstis you can see your cpu bouncing and ofcourse the usage of effects is critical here (expirience) ... and fruity users know what i'm talkig about .
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Me as experienced fruity user, I don't know what u talking about.
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 01:38
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Well.. The cpu bounces as it also bounces in other sequencers...
And with FL at least you can export it that way!
I mean, the most frustrating thing in Logic for me was having my CPU almost fully loaded, trying to export and just simply couldn't do it!
As you might know Logic plays the track during the bounce (real time export) and it would always crash somewhere.... Even after exporting the Vst to waves, I'd get that fucked up problem..
I was using many wave tracks and only Vb1, but hey, it should export them fine.. Truth is I still havent finished that track...
About the quality: there will always be arguments against the sound engines... personally i like FL because it gives me alot of creativity possibilitys... and those "small-big" tricks you can pull out of it with some xperience. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 2, 2004 10:19
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On 2004-11-30 18:12, Mo-Dul wrote:
Is the export quality sound any better?
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The export "quality" is already as good as any application out there. |
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