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FL Producer 5 Cubase SX 2 comparison.
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 11:53
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I've downloaded the .rar file.
Thokin you are talking about test processes for every sequencer?
Why would I open EACH result, if im making one resulting file? how many resulting files are there?
and what are the loops files, i've only d/l the audio test wavs.
  Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 12:04
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You can just get the rar or zip file. They contain all the wav files.
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 12:29
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That's exactly what I've got 
What do I do with my exported Logic 5.5.1 wav now? where to upload? just dont reveal it's Logic's wav when we all compare stuff
btw, no where to normalize since there is one harsh peak till 0 on the LEFT side. Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 12:50
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What you can't understand Thockin?
FL Producer signal got -70dB noise with offset. When Cubase still clean.
FL output noise increase with channel addition since we got -90dB with one sample, -70dB with 12 and seen by eye and heard by ear on 30 channels meaning FL Producer mixer is "broken". |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 12:59
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On 2004-12-23 12:29, Trip- wrote:
That's exactly what I've got
What do I do with my exported Logic 5.5.1 wav now? where to upload? just dont reveal it's Logic's wav when we all compare stuff
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We are still working on that part of the test.
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btw, no where to normalize since there is one harsh peak till 0 on the LEFT side.
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Indeed. That is what I mixed the audio files to. Peak at 0.0 dBFS on the left channel. The normalising part is only for hosts that don't mix these files up to 0dB.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 13:01
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On 2004-12-23 12:50, H2O wrote:
What you can't understand Thockin?
FL Producer signal got -70dB noise with offset. When Cubase still clean.
FL output noise increase with channel addition since we got -90dB with one sample, -70dB with 12 and seen by eye and heard by ear on 30 channels meaning FL Producer mixer is "broken".
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He doesn't understand why FL produces this difference. It shouldn't. Anyway, he is in contact with the makers of FL. Lets see what they say.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 13:06
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ok, i hope his sequencer is legal. I'm not sure Image Line like illegal sequencer users and will use this fact in talk.
What we realy need to do is to find out why FL Producer has this noise with offset? I've recorded FL Producer with Sound Forge live and it has -90dB noise, so maybe the problem is ASIO bad programming. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 17:57
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I've been a registered FL user for *years*. Trust me, the devs there know me. I have been a pain in there ass with bugs and feature requests forever.
Almost all the software I have is legit. As a software engineer, I feel like I *really* need to support small software companies. |
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AmithabaBuddha
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 18:57
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when does IsraTrance start to make good topics and rewiews? stop talking about STUPID stuff.
you all may be asking why im only 4 posts here , so here´s the answer : most people who frequents this forum are stupid people , people who doenst know how to make good rewiews and talk about stuff like some comments on this thread :"FL suxx , logic´s better , cubase isnt worth." - they´re all the same , too bad if you people dont have good speakers cause all the software sounds good unless the programming isnt good. Software is math and there´s nothing more pure in the world than Math.
and 2nd psytrance world is made of commercial crap so the real spirit is gone , im a old skool Goa person and Isratrance is not the exact spot to find real psypeople.
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 22:15
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It always helps to know your tools and their limits. That's all we're doing. You don't have to participate or even believe the results. Feel free to F off. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 22:29
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So, I talked to Gol, the developer of FL. Here are his answers regarding teh 1 track test (I'll publish my project files and results when I get home).
First, the output of FL is always extended to the next tick length. This means that the output might have a couple hundred extra samples of digital silence at the end. I can live with this answer.
Second, FL converts samples to 16 bit on load. Yes, this kinda sucks. They plan to fix it. So all you detractors who just can't live without 24 bit samples, you win this one. HOWEVER, this only matters in the very quietest sounds - sounds below -96 dB. I really challenge anyone to show me a case where it matters.
Third, converting the input to 16 bits can cause up to 1 LSB of distortion. That means that there might be some dither-like noise between -96 and -90 dB when you compare to teh original.
In order to make the tests more accurate, I propose that we convert all the source tracks to 16 bits. All apps can use that equally, and all apps mix with higher precision internally. This will NOT result in any clipping that would not have occured with 24 bits.
I have promised to not be biased in my results, and I won't. I admit that I am surprised by this.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 22:55
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Tim, no one asked about extra silence. This noise can be treaten as dithering but why offset ? Now i've used 16bit samples and got exactly same noise so please do not disinform. Same noise accur on 16bit samples as well where no dithering at all. Now Image Line claim internal processing of 32bit float so why then each sample dithered to 16bit? Small feature of Sound Forge dither without any noise at output so why sequencer not ? This answer do not satisfy me at all. They say it cause -96dB distortion so why we have -65dB and when you mix 30 channel you have seen by eye differences? |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 23, 2004 23:54
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H20: CALM DOWN. No one is trying to lie to you. I specifically stated that this was a test of a SINGLE SAMPLE. The test was to prove that when you put an audio track in, you get that audio track back out. I found that there was extra silence at the end (explained) and some very low noise (explained).
Now I'll move on to the larger test and see what it does. And I will post my projects when I get home. I have a job to do during the days |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 00:25
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Does anyone have any *real* objectiosn to making teh source samples 16 bits? It will make downloads faster, too. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 24, 2004 00:39
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On 2004-12-23 18:57, AmithabaBuddha wrote:
when does IsraTrance start to make good topics and rewiews? stop talking about STUPID stuff.
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Did this all go way beyond your head? lol.
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im a old skool Goa person and Isratrance is not the exact spot to find real psypeople.
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You just did your best to prove this it
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