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FL Producer 5 Cubase SX 2 comparison.
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 18:55
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"...certainly was not true..." - let's get certain then.
H2O posted a JPEG of his test:
http://audiotests.batcave.net/test.JPG
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:03
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A jpeg shows me nothing. I can't verify the procedure at all.
Why don't you post the FL5 project and teh logic project and let me see those and render them on my own.
I can test FL3, FL4, FL5, Logic 5.5, ACID 3, and Sonar 3 here.
I don't know them all as well as FL5, so I'm happy to let other people do the project file and I'll compare them. I posted more rigid procedures already.
So there it is - someone who has some time today: Crank out 15 audio tracks, each 30 seconds in length. Doesn't matter what they are. Then post them somewhere so we can all test them ourselves. Then we can agree upon some good projects that are truest to the test criteria. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:05
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I haver to go to work. If this has not been done by the time I get home, I'll create 15 tracks when I get home tonight, and I'll post them on my web space. Then I'll make FL5 and ACID projects and I'll see about Logic and Sonar. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:12
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thokin - it was tested on Cubase though.
I only have Logic 5.51 here - let's put shorter samples - maybe 10 seconds...
I'll be glad to d/l and test.
I don't have any webspace to upload results.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 19:17
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thockin, this was not a test for you. We soon will post the real information about tests we have done with files to check alone. JPEG shows you FL Producer lagging signal near Cubase's. What Undertow said about waveform looks, it is odd in my eyes at least. You can't see by such a short sample if filter applied on file or not.
This test is only in process, we just try to find guys who wish to work with us, but we find only guys who argue and try to do alone. As community we have power, always remember it. |
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thockin
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 20:20
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H20: I'm perfectly happy to do it community-style, if I know you can be trusted to get it right. I don't know you. Therefore I can't know you got it right. So show me.
I am very suspicious of these results, because they do not jive with my own experience, nor with the results of any test I have ever seen in the past. If you did an experiment and determined that the world was flat, you'd get people questioning your process.
So let's do it community style. All I am asking is for someone to send me 10-15 audio tracks, 10-30 seconds in length. It would be nice if they sound like music when you put them all together. They need to cover the whole spectrum from bass to high highs.
I'll provide the web-hosting and bandwidth. If you or someone does the audio tracks in teh next 12 hours, I'll put them and what I believe are fair test projects up on my webspace.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 20:34
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Then do it alone. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 21:15
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I'll be up for doing the test with Abelton Live if you like to have that represented.
Best sequencer available, except the sound quality in my ears.
It could be nice like thockin said to actually pin point the different parts of the mixing and how they affect the sound but each test on it's own would not tell so much-
Interesting theoretically maybe, but to get an idea about how they compare in practical use is what is really what would be what most people would like to find out I guess.
I think it would be very nice to do a proper test using plugin chains, varying levels and panning.
In practice that is a bit difficult though, but by using presets on popular plugins that should be possible.
Basically a full track with VSTi's, FX and more than 16 channels.
I could be willing to help formulate the test if you like to do a "real world" test like that.
After that is done it can be interesting for the the aspiring developers to see what is the weak part in the software.
Personally I don't care about that and just wish that Abelton Live would sound as good as logic in practical use wich no test will convince me it does unfortunatly 
But I be happy to help prove my point so I don't have to be told that I only hear differences and they can't excist for theoretical technical reasons.
And one thing...when publishing them online, please do not label them propely.
For anyone tring to listen to hear the differences it would be great if you don't see what snippet is made with what software to avoid the placebo effect for the listener.
There could be for example a button below each snippet to reveal the sequencer used, or even better of course a voting system to have people doing blind testing online.
The same goes for any listening test you make of course. There is not much point listening and try to compare when knowing which one you listen to.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 21:29
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SO, why won't we create anyother forum or new section on this forum or talk on msn, mirc or icq.
Decide what are the goal and what we whould do to achieve it. Then test different sequencers. I asked that before but some of you ignore me.
Our test was to see if there is a difference between FL Producer export and Cubase's, and it is a big difference as jpg show. I've contacted you Thockin and you Spindrift, one has no time and second no wish to answer.
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 21:40
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On 2004-12-22 20:20, thockin wrote:
I'll provide the web-hosting and bandwidth. If you or someone does the audio tracks in teh next 12 hours, I'll put them and what I believe are fair test projects up on my webspace.
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I'll create the test audio. I allready started actually. 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 21:45
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What's wrong with discussing it here and get the views of various producers?
I did not say I don't have time, and have offered to help. Weekly time is another thing, because I don't have time every week.
I can say what the goal with a test like this would be for me:
To find out how noticable the difference in sound is between various sequencers in practical use.
If you want me to help formulate a test that is designed to simulate real word usage of the various software I have offered to do that.
If you want a more simpler test I will help to test Abelton, even if the result would not be very interesting to me.
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 22:09
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On 2004-12-22 21:40, UnderTow wrote:
I'll create the test audio. I allready started actually.
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Ok, ready. I have 12 stereo 44.1Khz 24 bit broadcast waves. Played together they sum at 0.0 dBFS.
Where do I upload?
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 22:17
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Spindrift, such kind of test can't be done on forum. We should be in touch live, decide what "what" and "how to". This thread is a joke since everyone test himself when i want all of us to perform the test together.
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PsYx
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 22:37
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I did the test on IRC, with Cane...we could get together and open a channel ? |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Dec 22, 2004 22:41
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I'm on UnderNet IRC. Same nick as here.
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