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FL Producer 5 Cubase SX 2 comparison.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 21:22
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 21:28
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Cool, but we already know 
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 12, 2004 23:07
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SX1. Already decided.
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PsYx
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:09
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Well, this test is done when mixing only 4 tracks...
What if you have 24 tracks ? |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:19
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I think even one sample can represent sound engine of sequencer, but you welcome to make your tests. I used four samples to check quality while mixing samples. |
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PsYx
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 01:23
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Hmmm..
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 11:10
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invented -> inverted.
anyway as PsYx said,
mixing 4 channels is nothing compared to mixing 24 audio tracks with 8 of them routed to 8 busses and returned via Aux channels to the Master Output --- or any other various combinations.
I suggest for some much more serious tests...
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 11:21
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What do you mean by much more serious? 24 channels? After i finish 24 channels and proove you identity, you will say "ok, now check 32 channels". There is no point to check 24 channels if four are identical. 8 Busses, nice but you should ask before if FL producer has them. PPL here said FL Producer have different engine than Cubase, so it is not true. That's all
I do not compare Cubase as sequencer to FL Producer, i do simple sound check which ruin myth about "bad sound engine", "filtering at rendering" and other bullshit ppl talk. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 11:36
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If you're making a bit-to-bit comparison then yes the number of channels matters.
Do you make a track with 4 channels only?
As far as I know Fruity has Aux return channels too - try them too... that's sound engine for you.
Want more? use constant 0dBfs aplitude wav files, and set number of channels at levels which do not clip over 0 on Master. Turn off your monitors when doing this - attention!
and ultra more would be to add Logic and Samplitude to your tests.
PS: You should try using also the BitMeter analysis tool in Wavelab. Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 13:53
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Trip, you can join us, since non of us uses Samplitude or Logic(I use Cubase only). So we can make more specific tests on every sequencer.
For aux channels i was refer to number 8(you asked for) when FL Producer have 4 send channels.
Click on Join on site for more information. |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 14:40
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hehehe
Linear interpolation ?!
thats a lame quality in fruity ,even they dont sugest to do it... unless its for fast render...
export 32 bit 96000 from fruity and its sounds amazing.if ya did good sound from the beginin... the main problem is that most fl users dont know sound...
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 13, 2004 16:05
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Tsabeat, 32bit and 96khz have nothing to do with tests.
Export done in 16bit, 44.1khz in both sequencers and results are identical. We never said there that Linear Interpolation should be used as default, moreover i think interpolation function is wasted function.
As sound, i don't believe in phrase use 32bit when exporting even if you work with 8bit samples theoreticly it is right to say but i'm practical user. I do sequence in 16bit so i export 16bit. If i would record live instrument or synthesiser i would use 24bit because it is matters there. I can assure you that you won't find any difference between 32bit exported file and 16bit while exporting same sequence. If you have an orange you can't make it water melon. You can eat many organges as size of melon but still it will be oranges. |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 06:32
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*offtopic (but thats a continue..)
but most of new vst's support 24 bit..
and i use nordlead so recordings and stuff must keep their quality... true if i have several sounds 16 bit they stay 16 but whats 24 will stay 24 and wont i wont loose quality ...
btw - as i know if i export 32 96000 then converting with dithering and all to 16 44100 its more quality then export 16 44100 bit right away (i also master the 32 version just final step convert to 16 bit)
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 10:30
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I agree with Trip that a more serious test is needed. When two digital numbers are combined -which is what you do in a digital mixer- you get a larger number. If only a few numbers are combined there isn't much of a problem, since most digital systems have enough digital 'headroom' for the number to expand. It is only when you combine a lot of numbers that descisions have to be made about how to round the number so it fits into the (32) bits of dynamic range the mixer has available. My guess is that if you want to test for differences, you are more likely to find them when you stress the system a little "bit" more. |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 12:06
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Agreed we will take it as task in DAcomm. We will check large number of channel and aux sends in all sequencers. Trip you still more than welcome to join us since we have only two Logic users.
Tsabeat, what you say is right if you use hardware or software which out 24bit or more and apply on it's signal effects which are 24bit or more. What i meant to say is if you use 10 channels of drums probably 16bit samples and three synths which probably 24bit the difference in quality won't be heard to ear doesn't matter which bit rate you export and process. Maybe i'm wrong. |
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