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First live set - epic fail. What went wrong?
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arkon
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 14:05
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On 2010-03-28 12:03, Braindrop wrote:
Like Aeon said.... there is no technical explanation to this .... But...i wld say try to cut out... RCA cables.... use an external mixer with phono cables....
Cheers!
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RCA cables are invented by the devil to torment live musicians
I once had one where the pin snapped off in the female plug 30 seconds before the gig
luckily just one so everything was mono
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Cactus Division
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Posted : May 9, 2010 18:01
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On 2010-04-12 20:36, Chemogen wrote:
Playing again on Wednedsay. I think the error lay in the fact that I was going through outputs 3/4 on the sound card and not 1/2. *blush* It's the only logical explanation I can think of. If I'd just twiddled Output 3/4's gain, the problem would've been sorted. Lets hope I get my head together for Wednesday. 
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Hey, strange thing. I've played lots of livesets without having any probs until last time! i connected my interface to the djm600 at channel 2 & 3.
Channel 4 was wrecked, so i pulled out one cdj. as you said chemogen, i had a very very low signal. i had to push the channelgains all the way up and the eq's to about 2 o clock.
Volume-pot was at max on the interface, in ableton the meters were ok! So WHERE did I loose my signal???
I'm using the unbalanced outputs 1/2 & 3/4 and mix the warped tracks with the dj mixer.
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5meohd
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Posted : May 10, 2010 05:28
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so is everyone agreeing to not even consider doing a laptop set if you can't beat match?
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 10, 2010 05:55
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haha yeah thats what I thought too - I have no experience at all with CDJs and I don't care to spend time learning a skill that a computer can do better, allowing me to focus on other more important things.
Just have a full recent version of your set on your ipod and just press play on that and dance imo if you do all the due diligence in preparation for your laptop set and shit goes south.
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Ellon
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Posted : May 12, 2010 13:45
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Cactus Division
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Posted : May 12, 2010 20:13
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pffff, beatmatching is no skill, it's essential - every gay hippie can do this.
but my friends: what I didn't found out is how to play samples , percussionloops, fx or single parts of of my tracks in sync with two cdjs...
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 12, 2010 21:46
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I don't really understand that post - its no skill, but its essential?
Gay hippies aside, beatmatching is a technical skill. There is nothing innately artistic or creative in learning how to match two beats together - the artistic expression and creativity in DJing is track selection and mixing.
I see no reason to learn on CDJs if you are just starting out seeing as laptop DJing allows you to beatmatch instantly without even thinking about it, while offering exponentially more tools to manipulate the music than a CDJ.
Of course - in the end, its all about the music - I don't give a shit if you DJ off your Ipod as long as the music is kickass.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 12, 2010 21:57
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On 2010-05-12 21:46, willsanquil wrote:
I don't really understand that post - its no skill, but its essential?
Gay hippies aside, beatmatching is a technical skill. There is nothing innately artistic or creative in learning how to match two beats together - the artistic expression and creativity in DJing is track selection and mixing.
I see no reason to learn on CDJs if you are just starting out seeing as laptop DJing allows you to beatmatch instantly without even thinking about it, while offering exponentially more tools to manipulate the music than a CDJ.
Of course - in the end, its all about the music - I don't give a shit if you DJ off your Ipod as long as the music is kickass.
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Too many times have I heard laptop djs who don't know how to beatmatch by ear make terrible mixes (when djing on their laptop). The software isn't 100% on beat all the time and it's not hard to catch it if they have the ear. It really really bothers me that this happens.
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 14, 2010 07:43
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I fail to see how ableton wouldn't perform exactly the same 100% of the time assuming you warp your songs properly...of course I could be wrong, I am in no way an expert on these matters.
I can't speak for other programs seeing as I've not used them - I'm sure there are some that are out there that aren't on beat all the time...but if I knew that about my software, I'd switch pretty damn fast 
in my view, CDJs are just a modern upgrade from vinyl and while I have respect for people using those setups (again - all about the music) I feel that there is more creative potential to be had from laptop DJing considering the massive palette available, and I wouldn't begrudge someone not learning beatmatching if laptops are what they learn on as long as they make the effort to know the software well enough to not let train wreck mixing happen If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Chemogen
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Posted : May 14, 2010 15:09
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So every set since that fateful night has gone perfectly.
The biggest problem I've had with all that gear was last night when I was playing after Shift. Couldn't understand why I couldn't hear anything through my headphones.
They weren't plugged in.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 14, 2010 15:57
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On 2010-05-14 07:43, willsanquil wrote:
I fail to see how ableton wouldn't perform exactly the same 100% of the time assuming you warp your songs properly...of course I could be wrong, I am in no way an expert on these matters.
I can't speak for other programs seeing as I've not used them - I'm sure there are some that are out there that aren't on beat all the time...but if I knew that about my software, I'd switch pretty damn fast
in my view, CDJs are just a modern upgrade from vinyl and while I have respect for people using those setups (again - all about the music) I feel that there is more creative potential to be had from laptop DJing considering the massive palette available, and I wouldn't begrudge someone not learning beatmatching if laptops are what they learn on as long as they make the effort to know the software well enough to not let train wreck mixing happen
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That's one of the big downsides, people assume that the software is gonna take care of everything for them. If your cue point isn't on the exact start of the downbeat it'll be off by a bit and it's annoying to hear tracks off beat and the dj is clueless about it. I've heard bigger mistakes with djs using traktor/virtual dj.
@Chem: glad to hear things have been going well since http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Chemogen
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Posted : May 14, 2010 22:26
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On the chill floor at a party, an act was doing an ableton set, he was mixing stems except everything was horribly out of time.
What's worse than two songs trainwrecking? 6 tracks trainwrecking. He also seemed quite oblivious and this carried on through out his set.
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willsanquil
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Posted : May 15, 2010 01:37
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I've seen people using CDJs train wreck, I've seen people using laptops train wreck, I've seen people using vinyl train wreck - there is always the potential for someone to be too fucked up or just plain not skilled enough no matter what setup they use - I haven't noticed more errors in one group of DJs than another.
If you are stupid enough to assume that the software will do *everything* for you, then you deserve to train wreck - but its incredibly easy to set up your ableton set so that it never happens by properly warping whatever you are playing.
I have *tried* to make ableton fuck up a beatmatch - just slammed the shit out of my controllers on 6+ tracks running at the same time in a completely haphazard way and as long as they're warped properly, it just doesn't happen (train wreck) - it may have sounded like a garbled mess but it was matched properly. I was giggling as to how amazingly easy it was.
So yeah, if your cue point or warp markers aren't right, then theres potential for badness....in the end, that's a mistake (and an easily correctable one), and mistakes are just as easily made on one setup as another - that should not mean that all people who use laptops and don't know how to beatmatch are clueless as to how to mix properly.
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Andrew
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Posted : May 15, 2010 12:12
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Posted : May 17, 2010 09:10
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Dont trust M-audio , horrible stuff to use especially in live situations!
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