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splikz
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Posted : May 24, 2015 07:51
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Making a loop or 1 minute piece of music is a different thing than making a whole coherent track. You ll need to push yourself to get beyond the loop point
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when people get stuck in loops, they need to think about the final purpose of the track. which is to play it, to share it others.
it will be easier to get beyond the loop point if you want to share it others.
right now I'm not the most inspiring person, because i'm in a moment where I don't want to share my music with others.
I'm thinking about switching genres.. and leaving dance music.
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On 2015-05-22 15:10, Xsze wrote:
It should be fun as somebody said, hobby, people invest in their hobby and that stay hobby forever...
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it a hobby, it was more like having fun, locally, with friends.
as an artist, there's a time where your career needs to develop and grow to a satisfactory level, in order for you to embrace it.
careers are like businesses, some fail along the way.
BUT, I dont want a boring job, never again. money.. or the lack of if, the best action propeller!! 
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routingwithin
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Posted : May 25, 2015 12:57
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I get what ur saying. When I started with music production I released many tracks - about 30.. well really just uploaded on the web. I did get good responses and many constructive criticism. Which I agreed gave me some insight and really helped me to learn from my mistakes.
It would be easy to compose a track really .. but at the moment I am concentrating on making it sound good. i.e When I upload my next track I want it to be great, u know.. got myself some Yamahas HS7's as monitors, some Shure headphones, treated my room a bit - starting to ready myself for the main act.
I don't want to upload it and someone says.. your bass needs a bit more bass, or I don't like that midrange. I just want a strait forward.. Nice track !! – Through everything I have learned I feel that the most important aspect is mixing. This can make or break the track. Some believe it’s done with heavy EQ – but I think that it’s more about how frequencies harmonize together, like binding through harmony. Sure EQ is a necessity, especially for keeping the low end solid, but the combination of effects is where the secret lies. Reverb to create space (works great when using reverb sends), Opening up the stereo as you move past 200hz (natural stereo), Multiband compression to keep the ranges leveled, etc.
So when I feel i am ready - then i'll put on my serious hi-Hat, lol, and implement everything I have learned.
 " We are together in this matter you and I, closer to death, yes, closer than i'd like. How do you feel? - There can be no division in our actions, or everything is lost. What affects you affects me. " |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 25, 2015 14:49
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On 2015-05-25 12:57, routingwithin wrote:
I don't want to upload it and someone says.. your bass needs a bit more bass, or I don't like that midrange. I just want a strait forward.. Nice track !! |
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Yeah, that's the difference exposing music here and somewhere else, at least for big picture and not on production aspect, because here there are more chances to get production remark, I never bothered that much showing anything to fellow producers, why, because I cherished more opinion of end user/listener about content and vibe, especially with my cheesy commercial stuff, even if he had production remark, I knew there's something really weird, not something not perfect enough, really eye opener when you actually have opinion from someone who isn't in production mindset that much, just listens to your tune properly and only thing valid is does it work or not and even better if you have a chance to test drive it in person, what an eye opener. |
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routingwithin
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Posted : May 26, 2015 10:58
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On 2015-05-25 14:49, Xsze wrote:
Yeah, that's the difference exposing music here and somewhere else, at least for big picture and not on production aspect, because here there are more chances to get production remark, I never bothered that much showing anything to fellow producers, why, because I cherished more opinion of end user/listener about content and vibe, especially with my cheesy commercial stuff, even if he had production remark, I knew there's something really weird, not something not perfect enough, really eye opener when you actually have opinion from someone who isn't in production mindset that much, just listens to your tune properly and only thing valid is does it work or not and even better if you have a chance to test drive it in person, what an eye opener.
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I agree and disagree with your statement. On the one hand, yes the opinion of the listener is what you would cherish, because without understanding how music is created – they do tend to concentrate more on the feeling the music gives, without caring about frequency balance. It’s a 3rd party viewpoint that can objectively point out more about how everything comes together, and like you said – if it works or not.
However on the other hand you also need the input from an EXPERIENCED PRODUCER, note that I wrote that in upper case, clearly stated that an amateur would only steer you wrong. Many of my friends would tell me my track sounds great – but when I review it on different systems you can hear the in-balance in frequency – especially in the bass range.
You’re going to need both opinions to really learn from it, the Listener for the Big Picture / Feeling, and producer for the Detail / Frequency balance & Harmonization.
" We are together in this matter you and I, closer to death, yes, closer than i'd like. How do you feel? - There can be no division in our actions, or everything is lost. What affects you affects me. " |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 26, 2015 18:19
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Of course, it's not black or white, I just pointed out where you can get only "nice" instead of "you need touch of low-mid's there", you will always need touch of something somewhere because there's always something.
We should not forget that we make music for that people too, that's the crowd, there's tracks from some artist's that sound barely decent production wise, but still are rocking dancefloors and still are played on YouTube, even on 240p and artifacts they still do their job.
This production obsessions and perfectionism is influencing outcome, or it's none or it's butchered to sound good, if this mindset was present in 90s, they would still be in making till this day.
I'm not saying don't work hard, don't make good music or don't try to make best quality you can, just don't let that become obsession and culprit to creativity and outcome, people are more into content, we are neat picky about many things because we want to look best in everyone's eyes, but there should be a line and if one needs to go to one extreme, than pick your crowd rather than similar unsatisfied perfectionist's. |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 26, 2015 18:51
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And I'm speaking in general, nothing personal, I don't know you, but I know myself and I met quite similar guys over time, so if someone found himself called out, than you are there with me too and similar more than you imagined.
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routingwithin
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Posted : May 27, 2015 13:29
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On 2015-05-26 18:19, Xsze wrote:
Of course, it's not black or white, I just pointed out where you can get only "nice" instead of "you need touch of low-mid's there", you will always need touch of something somewhere because there's always something.
We should not forget that we make music for that people too, that's the crowd, there's tracks from some artist's that sound barely decent production wise, but still are rocking dancefloors and still are played on YouTube, even on 240p and artifacts they still do their job.
This production obsessions and perfectionism is influencing outcome, or it's none or it's butchered to sound good, if this mindset was present in 90s, they would still be in making till this day.
I'm not saying don't work hard, don't make good music or don't try to make best quality you can, just don't let that become obsession and culprit to creativity and outcome, people are more into content, we are neat picky about many things because we want to look best in everyone's eyes, but there should be a line and if one needs to go to one extreme, than pick your crowd rather than similar unsatisfied perfectionist's.
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No you are right man, this is a good point you're making. If you know how to get fairly decent sounding results, then that would be good enough.
Note that I am not talking about you here..
I am merely pointing out those artists that don't process their stuff correctly - and it just sounds bad. Or those that sell tutorial packages, then when you reference their mastered tracks on different systems it sucks. It's always the semi-pros teaching music production to the kids. The pros are too busy playing gigs and sitting in studios.
Also what I was saying about quality is take a track like Astrix - Shadows, or Ace Ventura - Presence.. and tell me if you find something wrong in those tracks, as a producer. I tried over and over to listen for mistakes but in the end it's a solid piece of work. That is what I want to achieve. If it's possible for them then it is for any of us.
Yes I do understand the problem with the obsession factor, but in a way, it can give you that drive to find the answers you seek.
Anyway know that I do agree with everything you're saying - this is really only my opinion, on an endless subject.
" We are together in this matter you and I, closer to death, yes, closer than i'd like. How do you feel? - There can be no division in our actions, or everything is lost. What affects you affects me. " |
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Xsze
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Posted : May 27, 2015 14:33
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On 2015-05-27 13:29, routingwithin wrote:
Anyway know that I do agree with everything you're saying - this is really only my opinion, on an endless subject.
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I really do agree too, especially with text that was before this quote, spot on really 
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 28, 2015 02:03
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On 2015-05-26 18:19, Xsze wrote:
I'm not saying don't work hard, don't make good music or don't try to make best quality you can, just don't let that become obsession and culprit to creativity and outcome, people are more into content, we are neat picky about many things because we want to look best in everyone's eyes, but there should be a line and if one needs to go to one extreme, than pick your crowd rather than similar unsatisfied perfectionist's.
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:33
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:33
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:33
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:33
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:33
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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Bipolar
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Posted : May 28, 2015 09:34
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Remember you brain is like an instrument, if you play guitar, you don't really need any inspiration, or motivation to play it, you just pick it up and play, you can train your brain with time to work the same way. Its like going to the gym, not every day is going to be a motivated day to go, some times you struggle to go train, but you go. Its that mental game, determination, whats stronger? your lack of motivation? or your will to succeed? the will to become a professional music producer must be greater that anything in your life to achieve it , or anything you set your mind too, what ever is your dream. What ever you are fighting for in this life.
"Greatness cannot be achieved without Obsession."
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