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Finally the Pure TB-303 Emulator !!
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 12:38
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not really impressed with this emulator,audio realism sound better for me. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 14:31
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On 2006-03-06 12:36, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Do you have any Hardfloor records? Do you know who they are?
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nope and nope. i don't need that, there's loads of new and old albums with one or two 303s beeping. i know of a documentary that tells the whole 303 story and is very educating, if i remember the link i'll post here.
On 2006-03-06 12:36, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
We can sit here and argue about the way vb-1 sounds, till the end of time, but has the vb-1 (sound, interface..etc) influenced people in such a way, that made them crete a completely new genre of music that swept the globe like a tidal wave?
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i dont know... but it has been very influential in psytrance...
and you got to love that pick sound...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 14:58
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On 2006-03-06 14:31, sy000321 wrote:
nope and nope. |
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Which explains why you may think that the 303 does not do good bass (besides having played with one obviously).
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On 2006-03-06 14:31, sy000321 wrote:
i dont know... but it has been very influential in psytrance...
and you got to love that pick sound...
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Speaking for my self, there's nothing about the vb-1 that I like. To me it sounds like a plastik toy used by people that did not have anything better to use, so much, that it sort of became "the norm" for newcomers that haven't heard anything better before they actually listened to those basslines for the first time.
That is the only "influence" the vb-1 has had on the music.
The typical psy-trance 16th basslines where done (far better) by the likes of sh-101, nord lead, juno 60, pro-1...etc, ages before the vb-1 came out. Me>You |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 15:04
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sounds realy interesting. i havent known that you can edit kicks with it!
anyway about vb1 vs 303, its the same. the vb is just a non-reso high-decay and low-sustain lowcutfilter of a saw, the 303 has also saw, so the difference is minimal, you can do this basses with almost every synth. |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 16:22
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On 2006-03-06 12:04, sy000321 wrote:
it's a love/hate kind of relationship for them. they say they hate it, but then they use it when no ones looking (and then they hate themselfs for it)
like vegetarians going to macdonalds late at night, using overcoats and masks, so no one would recognize them
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man, you are absolutly right! i am sitting here for 3 days (got freetime  ) and i do nothing else as experimenting with basses. if you take 1/16 bassline the enveloped saw just works best (till now!!), nearly no matter which synth. i have a virus here, i used the vanguard, audiorealism 303, i compared to the vb-1 and they all sound the same (if used correctly). since days i sit here and try (the hell)to find something DIFFERENT!
and what can i say: they exist. i have not found out something real stomping, but i opened some interesting doors and now try to go through it.
the most characterising thing of the VB or i better call it "VB-like enveloped saw" is the ratio between the low frequences and the mids. every bass has this sub-pad but the envelope gives body to it. so, if we wanna find new forms of cool basses. we have to exchange the form of the mid-body. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 17:26
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i've quitten using hardware for bass mostly because of the crap midi timming i have in my PC
synthwise, if it has a saw oscillator and a envelope is cool for bass, if it doesn't mess too much with the startphase wich i think it's better if it's always the same for everynote
i've experimented a lot with bass "back in the days" and always came back to the more basic sounds of vb1 or a saw and a sine layered (or pulse or whatever).
i think the best bass i ever got was layering a tx87 sample with a sine and applyed a amm envelope in my emu, or maybe things i got from my mw2 before the knobs because so unresponding i quit using it...
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 17:59
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Midi is tight enough to record a few bars and simply make the audio regions sample tight later.
From my exprerience, the best and easiest synth to get the phat psy-trance saw bass, is by far the sh-101. The sub-oscillator allows for huge bottom end that you can be easily controlled (with the on board mixer).
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 6, 2006 19:07
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On 2006-03-06 17:59, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
From my exprerience, the best and easiest synth to get the phat psy-trance saw bass, is by far the sh-101. The sub-oscillator allows for huge bottom end that you can be easily controlled (with the on board mixer).
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yeap. now that's something i would spend my money on, and it's far cheaper than the 303... for about 150/200e you can get one...
btw i've tried so many times to use the sh1001 vst but it might be one of the only vsts i cant get good bass of (at least without a lot of eq)
i hope they aren't very similar, or that would be a proof that i'm dumb roll a joint or STFU :) |
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yggster
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 18:27
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"you have to recognize that as soon as the tb wasn't used for bass, it was one of the most important things in electronic music"
Not to argue but I don't agree at all. TBs been widely used for bass too. It has in fact fantastic bass both on saw and square. If you want a steril dull sound, go ahead and use VB-1. Want life and movement? Only one choise around... and she's worth every penny she costs!
Sampled with EQ, comp, dist and a good sequence, it's a nasty machine. Capable of things and sounds no other synth can do.
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yggster
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 18:38
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On 2006-03-06 12:36, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
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We can sit here and argue about the way vb-1 sounds, till the end of time, but has the vb-1 (sound, interface..etc) influenced people in such a way, that made them crete a completely new genre of music that swept the globe like a tidal wave?
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This covers it. Nice with someone who been around a bit longer then the VB-1 |
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 18:59
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On 2006-03-07 18:27, yggster wrote:
Capable of things and sounds no other synth can do.
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like what?
would go for a sh101 anytime if i had to choose between the 303 and the 101
btw, talking about overused sounds... roll a joint or STFU :) |
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yggster
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 02:06
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On 2006-03-07 18:27, yggster wrote:
Capable of things and sounds no other synth can do.
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like what?
Like THE 303sound no one successfully have emulated yet. Either bass, acid, lead or whatever.. there is only ONE despite the dousins of clones out there.
Some sound good but none have the sequenser that IS the 303 (and the 18db filter).
The funkiest sounding filter and sequenser ever made.
Neither the 101 or the TB is overused atm. And I'm not comparing them. I love the SH series too.
There was a while some years back they were overused. But everything goes in cycles. Not too many use them or other old hardware synths now in the trance scene, mostly the big names I guess.
And there is always new ways to use old analog gear. If it sounds overused it might be a bad track?
As soon as you hear a 303 the music looses your attension? It usually cathes mine (the real 303). VSTs and clones make me loose it.
I'd do anything to hear some new sounding well produced wicked acid again. And I know i'm not alone 
Most overused sound today is the "virus sound". Definitly not the old rolands.
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e-motion
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 14:33
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damn the SEQ of this plugin. i can't understand it ! (ext mode). anyone that understood it can explain to me? i read the manual about the gate and accent "special notes" but i can't make it work good, in the ext mode the enveloppes have no effect. and static 303 is nothing. |
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 21:40
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e-motion, do you have the phoscyon manual? i have a problem it keeps going on i cannot make one pattern sound 1 or 2 bars for example. |
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black_cat
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 23:06
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Most overused sound today is the "virus sound". Definitly not the old rolands.
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emmmmm... can you tell me what is a virus sound ?
virus, even the a model is capable of making variety of sounds. i would like to know how can you recognize sounds made with it.
btw. i like the 303 sound when proper used, but you can get pretty close with other synths too. i liked the rebirth, phoscyon is interesting but i prefer audiorealism bl. but 303 sound is still one of the most psychedelic sounds for me, especially when used with good delay unit |
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