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_$k#pt!
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 05:51:01
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i looked at old topics but couldn't really find helpfull tips about how to handle my tracks once i feel they are "finished".
i am using logic 9 btw.
currently i export my mixdown when on my master output i have only linear phase eq with the low end cut at 20-25hz and a limiter set with about 4db of gain and a ceiling of -1.1db,short realase.
a lot of pepole have been telling me to run it through a multi-band compressor, i have some questions regarding that..
1}well, do i really need to do this or compression should be left for the mastering studio or somthing like that?
2}if i should use compression on my final mix, do i use a standart compressor and a multi band one? or just the multi-pressor?
3}should compression be applied after bouncing my project?or putting it on my main output is the same?
4}anybody know a link with tips for some ratio-attack-release settings? or maybe some of you feels like sharing thier favorite settings?
asking about ratio and such be4 i got this reply from most pepole:"experiment and see what sounds good"
thing is, in all honesty i don't think my ears are trained enough or maybe it's just some knowledge iv'e yet to aquire but i can't seem to really notice the diffrence or figure out how to get that sound i want...
i know it also have a lot to do with how u mix the channels in your project and the frequencies that diffrent sounds are playing at..
probably my biggest problem with my songs so far is being able to make a real crunchy bassline with a nice low-mid that sticks out and still not loose my sounds in the 200hz-400hz to the background..
are there any other units that u think are good to have the final mix run through?any good mastering plugin availble fo free download?
not necceserly just for mac,for pc 2...
should these be used post export or pre export?
any other tips about getting your final audio file to sound clearer/louder/punchier/warmer/all in general better would be greatly appricated:}
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_$k#pt!
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 06:16
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i'm kind of new to this section of isratrance.. so i just found the mother of all mastering thread it proved somewhat helpfull...
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daark
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 11:36
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keep your master channel clean !!
-2db for headroom is ok
just make sure you dont limit or clip anything rest i guess the mastering engineer should take care of! |
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Sanathana
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 00:50
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correct me if im wrong but i guess ur trying to also ask if multi-band compression can be used in your mix at all?
leave the master channel alone and dont have anything on that but in all other channels, if you want you could use a multi-band compressor as much as you like which means individually making all sounds clean and crisp. You could use any efx, compressors, gates, eq's, compressors and the like on all channels except the master channel  then once you are through with it and ur mix is sounds ok, you can adjust the volumes of each channel to balance out the main from complimentary sounds or effects
the rest, as mentioned earlier....
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_$k#pt!
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 05:35
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well.. i was mainly refering to my final audio file and how to make it sound better..
in here it seems like everybody is saying leave your master channel untouched, and after bouncing:
eq
compressor
limiter
what would be th benefit of using a multi-pressor on my indevidual channels?
also, i read here some pepole say you shouldnt use limiters on your indevidual channels, is this correct? can anybody elaborate why?
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daark
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 08:58
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the quality would be more clear if you have other ways like just using the volume knob and correct compression instead of multiband(that fucks your phase of the sound) and limiter(that fucks the quality if you use dithering especialy, think what the process does - it brings volume down very fast of course it would be clearer without)
you'll get more clear quality
if you can bring the instruments with or without minimal eq and compression to the sound you want it would sound much better after the mastering and the mastering engenier will thank u
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_$k#pt!
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 05:02
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daark,
i use the phase eq to loose the lower frequancies you shouldn't have in your songs,
anyway it is what i was told.. this whole part of music making is sort of hard for me to grasp.. it also seems diffrnt pepole have diffrent opinions about it..
thanx for the advice & knowledge :} |
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http://www.electrypnose.com/data/tutorials/Intellinoise_mastering%20infos%201.5.pdf
try to avoid any processing to correct a sound. do that on the source....
for learning about compressors and this attack, release thingy, just rtfm dood, you´ll never learn more about you compressor like by just takin some time and read it. doesnt hurt, will push you forward. music´s nothing for lazy people...
clean up your mix to transperancy and there will no multiband compression be needed. imo this is up to the mastering engineer (if your mix is clean even he/she might decide not taking use of compression) if you didnt totally fuck up your mix. but thats just imao, soooo i´d recommend you to give less about opinions of other people and start to listen what´s resulting in better sonic material at the end.
if your sound benefits from your processing, than just go for it and give a shit what others say.
cheers, stephan
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jun 12, 2010 20:06
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asking about ratio and such be4 i got this reply from most pepole:"experiment and see what sounds good"
thing is, in all honesty i don't think my ears are trained enough or maybe it's just some knowledge iv'e yet to aquire but i can't seem to really notice the diffrence or figure out how to get that sound i want...
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according to that i´d say dont take it that serious, you have to learn a lot and the most important is learn to listen. sounds great i know, but simple like that. patience and repetation of this process will take you forward. learn, listen, create....
if you cant hear or judge the quality of your sonic material i´d recommend you to leave these mastering plugins besides you´re looking for. they are massive if you know what you´re doin, but also got a massive potential to completely fuck up your work. you really need to hear how they affect your sound.
train your ears, it´s not that you wouldnt be able to hear that you just need to learn...
sounds far away, but anyone is able to train his/her ears, just go ahead...
another great tip you didnt want to hear i guess 
just keep on rockin, and start to trust your ears. big soundsystems or a mastering engineer dont do any shabhubhu magic on your work. if your material sounds shit on your speakers, it will probably be. a good mix sounds good everywhere, so just try to get your stuff jumpin out of your speakers in the most pleasant way you can offer.
anyways hope kinda helps, cheers
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 12, 2010 20:47
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I don't use Logic's Linear Phase EQ anymore on my master channel, Logic's standard Channel EQ sounds tighter, to my ears, for high passing the bottom end.
After that I have a single band compressor, with very gentle ratio (like 1:1.5), about 4db of gain reduction, fast attack medium release, then Logic's Adaptive Limiter, to get to about -10/-9dB RMS.
I don't use multiband compressors, I just try to get the mix right to the best of my abilities.
All that I do just to have rough mastered tunes to play out so that they don't sound too low, compared to proper mastered tracks.
I never do my own mastering for releases, I just give them to Colin to do the mastering for me.
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 13, 2010 00:36
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if you want to use a compressor on the master,i suggest you to insert it from the start so u can set everyhting in the mix according to the comp on the master
on some tracks with almost finished mix i found it usefull to just insert one ,set it to sound good, then check on what sounds the compressor is working,adjust the balance in the mix so in the end the comp don t even compress anymore or not as much,it can be nice to help to find mixing mistake or to enhance the mix with less compression,a simple example of a mix where the kick is too loud, the comp may work a lot on the kick to make things sound better ,better lower the volume of it or/and use some processing and bypass the comp for example or at least getting less compression on it cause the comp work to fix that ...but depends what you want,if it s some pumping or fixing the balance of the mix ... |
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makus
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Posted : Jun 20, 2010 02:56
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i aint afraid to use any plugin on master channel, without exception. sometimes with hot settings. compressors, phasers, buffer override, enhancers, anything - if it makes the sound better.
just have to listen carefully all the time
on topic - your exported track shouldn't be as loud as mastered tracks. that's obvious. leave some headroom. if your track is going to be released then a mastering enginner will ask for -3-6 dB wav file.
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however if you want to make your track louder for your private use (listen in player/car/play in club) then it doesn't really matter where you put final limiter/compressor.
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