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Medea
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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 22:00:37
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1) Is there any general difference between EQ and Filter terms, or they mean absolutely the same?
2) Do you use separate EQ plugins instead of built-in synth filters, for creation of automated-filtered-lead-sounds? Some external software EQ are very nice quality, much better than most of built-in ones, and much more flexible, cos thay can behave as any type of filter in most cases, aren't they?
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klippel
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 16:39
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good topic medea. like to now that as well..
talkin about good filter plugs. which one can you (or somebody else) recommend?
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-aeon-
Aeon
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 16:41
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i always thought of an EQ as just a set of filters!
sometimes i would rather automate an EQ to achieve a filtered sound but this tends to be more about precision, visual feedback, and number of bands (or filters) in an EQ.
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 16:59
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the only thing comes to mind that is bad in external plugs in comparison to built-in synth filters is that you can't adjust envelope easily. Also, parralel mode is a hassle to achieve.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 17:25
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EQs are a set of filters, but generally speaking, some filters have character that just fits better with the use of the sound. A good EQ tries to be objective. A good filter tries to be FAT. As such, EQs are much handier on the mixdown stage, and filters more so in music creation. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 20:14
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An EQ is just a set of filters by definition, but there are some fundamental differences:
-Most EQs filters don't have slopes of more than 6-12dB/oct, while most filters have 24-48+dB/oct slopes.
-Filters can only cut frequencies..the only real exception is any resonance/q control they might have, which is a very thin boost. Parametric EQs have bell shaped curves that can boost or cut frequency ranges with adjustable q. A lot of parametric EQs have HP and LP filters at the ends of the middle bands, usually intended for mastering purposes.
The main difference between the two is in how they're actually used. As Kaz said, good EQs are transparent and surgical, and good filters can fatten up leads and basses.
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 21:01
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i mostly use filters (external/internal) for lfo'ed filtering.
for more precise situations of filtering i think EQ's are 100% solid 
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 21:05
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 00:36
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i like antares filter, and fab filter pro c
also aswell check em out klippel theres a couple more that i really like but those are some that just pop off my head, i'll tell u the others ones i like later on, cheers |
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 01:43
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Depends on the filter /eq in the plugin, Toxic Biohazard has excellent eq imo but the eq's in the FL mixer are crap. To find out I simply use voxengo span...
As far as definition is concerned, they both really do
the same, depending on how you apply them. As far as the resonance setting is concerned, as long as you can tweak it to low or high values, the deal is often the same.
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-aeon-
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 08:50
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sorry guys i might be being really stupid here but:
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On 2008-11-13 20:14, Kane wrote:
-Most EQs filters don't have slopes of more than 6-12dB/oct, while most filters have 24-48+dB/oct slopes.
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most filters have more than one pole, though, don't they?
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an active filter network is capable of boosting the signal - that's the definition of active!
sorry if i'm confused
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 08:58
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 10:09
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On 2008-11-14 08:58, vegetal wrote:
...take a look at the good ol eq like the SSL-channel eq, Neve, Abbey road and Pulteq. They are not surgical nor transparent, still people consider them to be really really good.
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Hardware is a different story, for sure.
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Seamoon
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 11:15
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nice idea using eqs instead of the built in filter of a synth.
but for me it would be a workflow killer, and workflow is more important for me.
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 15:56
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Psyaudionamics, Fab Filter Pro C is a compressor..lol.
Vegetal, I guess it's a matter of opinion..there are definitely situations where linear phase and transparency aren't appropriate, but for the most part I prefer accuracy. I agree that hardware is a totally different discussion too..
Aeon, I know almost all filters have more than one pole, but I only have a vague idea of how that affects the slope...educate me if you do. 
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