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filtering out those heavy bassy subs
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makus
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 10:18
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yo sonica, those frequencies, do they mess your mix while you are listening in headphones or in the monitors? post an example
 
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pilgrim
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 14:01
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generally... to get rid of unwanted frequencies... i take an eq, choose notch, narrow bandwith (low q) ... + max db.... sweep through the freq, find the freq where there is the greatest boom or the greatest hiss or whatever and then notch that out with -db
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reversus
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 14:27
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On 2008-12-24 06:57, soulfood wrote:
Use EQ.
Yeah I know what you're thinking. Good one sir.Haha. You are a comedian good sir BS-a-lot... that I do not think.
But yeah that's your answer.
I'd leave total cuts of lower frequencies to a mastering engineer. All you have to do is EQ, listen to the track on many systems and then re-EQ. After a while you'll realize how much bass their should be. It'sall about experience and learning.
Bass should have bass in it. That's thebottom line.
Maybe your subs arent the problem. Maybe your high frequencies are too loud. Maybe you were listening to the wrong division of your bass when you were edging that volume slider up.
Ah shit I'm answering questions with questions. I hate that.
Fact is some synths produce too much subby goodeness, some don't.
Generally if I have to cut higher than 35hz to get a pleasing result it's because the programming of the synth wasn't that good. Maybe the filter ADSR was too quick. Maybe you need some compression to keep that tail down, rather than eliminating the bass of the attack as well.
I wish it was simple but it aint.
I'd say don't use Rbass unless you know what it's going to do. It's not a magic bean, but just a tool some people use.
I try to keep to one EQ and one compressor, after that it's back to the original source.
Don't listen to it for too long either, because gradual changes over time can really warp your perception of what you are listening to.
My thing I had issues with a couple of years back was immense cuts at 350hz which could have been resolved by a small cut at 100.
Unless Erez is your bestest mate your in it alone. You have to experiment, then go away, comeback and then really give it a good listen.
If you high pass above 50hz you're a coward!!!
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normally i use rbass after the eq to give that nice bass touch but its a minimal touch... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 15:21
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naga
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 16:23
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I think High Pass cut is not an good idea for the foundation section (kick+bass) - 'cause it's easy to lose all that botne (low fqs) - instead in mastering a track it's reasonable to cut master bus under 30-hz.
To control lower than 100hz frequenzies Izotope ozone is a pretty nice tool, using a snapshot and matching bass with kick's spectrum.
try "extra bass+kick buss" with alotcompression+vintagewarmer+low/highboost, i think works much better than rbass and maxxbass;) easy to control bass with buss volume control
pan bass a little to the left and leave kick to the center. gate bass to control lows:)
HP is used on other instruments to leave a space for the kick and bass, but there is nothing below K+B. If listen only with sub from your 2.1 system, there is just these two elements and when kick and bass are playing in different time it's pretty good option to use same fqs for the both and use a compression to finish the work => to the flat, stable smooth foundation
bass can be boost/cut later in mastering. just use a little Q and sweep all frequencies in your master spectrum. "" |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 17:02
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 17:23
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in my experience ,if your bassline was sounding right with the kick (timing )the highpass filter ll fuck the timing of the bassline in the low end and do something in in the phase resulting in a less tight and defined sound , on some speakers you can t notice it so i m not sure it s not a room and speaker issu anyway it dosen t hapen with linear phase filter but you get some other artifacts ,i guess it s a reason why many don t use hipass filter at all it s the more brutal way and the less natural one to remove sub bass (at least with non linearphase filters )but sometimes it just work right.
compresion may help to get a tight and punchy lowend but i don t use it on the bassline,i compress the drum bus with the bassline in it ,works good for me, i let always more sub than i need with the eq and the comp just get it right,try one that dont suck all the low end and that don t pump like things aren t controlled at all, a stable one (with some peak around 5 db of compression ,depends the sounds) |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 18:10
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If you can't get a nice bass sound with an EQ and a compressor, try finding a better source/synth and spend time programming it, instead of resolving to bass maximiser plugs in and the like.
Some synths just sound crap, and as the saying goes, crap in>crap out. Some synths sound great from the get go. Most plug in synths sound good enough these days. Make wise synth selections and spend time learning to program them.
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 18:53
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On 2008-12-24 04:07, Sonica wrote:
hipass to 70hz? there would be no bass left no?
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Depends on how steep the slope is, but 70Hz is too high.
What is the root note of your bassline?
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Say for example f1 |
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 18:54
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On 2008-12-24 10:18, makus wrote:
yo sonica, those frequencies, do they mess your mix while you are listening in headphones or in the monitors? post an example
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only headfones for reference, my monitors primarly |
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 19:00
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On 2008-12-24 06:57, soulfood wrote:
Use EQ.
Yeah I know what you're thinking. Good one sir.Haha. You are a comedian good sir BS-a-lot... that I do not think.
But yeah that's your answer.
I'd leave total cuts of lower frequencies to a mastering engineer. All you have to do is EQ, listen to the track on many systems and then re-EQ. After a while you'll realize how much bass their should be. It'sall about experience and learning.
Bass should have bass in it. That's thebottom line.
Maybe your subs arent the problem. Maybe your high frequencies are too loud. Maybe you were listening to the wrong division of your bass when you were edging that volume slider up.
Ah shit I'm answering questions with questions. I hate that.
Fact is some synths produce too much subby goodeness, some don't.
Generally if I have to cut higher than 35hz to get a pleasing result it's because the programming of the synth wasn't that good. Maybe the filter ADSR was too quick. Maybe you need some compression to keep that tail down, rather than eliminating the bass of the attack as well.
I wish it was simple but it aint.
I'd say don't use Rbass unless you know what it's going to do. It's not a magic bean, but just a tool some people use.
I try to keep to one EQ and one compressor, after that it's back to the original source.
Don't listen to it for too long either, because gradual changes over time can really warp your perception of what you are listening to.
My thing I had issues with a couple of years back was immense cuts at 350hz which could have been resolved by a small cut at 100.
Unless Erez is your bestest mate your in it alone. You have to experiment, then go away, comeback and then really give it a good listen.
If you high pass above 50hz you're a coward!!!
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yes, but im talkin about makin my mix as perfect as it can be before mastering, and im talking about that low resonance that needs filtering out to make may for other inportaint elemts and space. and im saying u do more than just cut at 40hz ive tried notching around 50hz and 100hz, laying iz what im currtently experimenting with. just struggling with achieving a "tighter" sub maching my mids, then havn to pace other juicy elemts with out no low clash and mud! |
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 19:01
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me niether RBASS and maxx try to be natrual, its like A Transexual trying to fit in lol, doesnt work for me niether - quadrafuzz works better |
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 19:04
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i have tried gating the bass, and you gotta be real prciece! the slightest change in volume can fuk it up... maybee i shout try sampling the subs and bung it into sampler for more precision?. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 19:04
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On 2008-12-24 18:53, Sonica wrote:
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On 2008-12-24 04:07, Sonica wrote:
hipass to 70hz? there would be no bass left no?
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Depends on how steep the slope is, but 70Hz is too high.
What is the root note of your bassline?
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Say for example f1
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F1 is 43.65Hz. If you have a 24dB/8ve high pass filter at 70Hz, you will loose a lot of the fundamental frequency.
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 24, 2008 19:12
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using a snapshot and matching bass with kick's spectrum?
what do ya mean? im aware that that freqency cant over lap but matching? what does that look like, anyone post a picture? |
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