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few words for upcomming Artists
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minus
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few points for upcomming artists:
1: it will take 10 years! of hard work. some just might get it too easy, but those r pampered into it,and spoon fed, and not really self learners, for self learners,its a nice long experience, 10 years labour will bear the fruit,that you will taste and find sweet!
2:mostly will be despised by your peers, for they do not understand what u is about, and they be scared of you , so u will be abndoned ! dont worry, help is always at hand, look around for similar ppl like urself, there will be a few who have 'peaked' the same time as u.use your 'magic' to connect,they have same!
3: the initial contact to labels, will be rejected,, you will most probabally get no reply,,from the labels u send ur music to, dont worry they always call when u r 'ready' and 'ripe'.keep working with ur small time friends,till the big time calls, it will call itself, dont try to run after it.
4: you must have knowledge on production on all genre's within,, ,,all ,, for example in psy, u must know how to produce,,dark,forest,fullon,morning,twilight,progressive,breaks,chillout,,,,etc etc whatever,,,, u Must know it all,, if u dont , u r faking it. it is as simple as this,, u should be able to play anytime of day or night,, so get all of it.leave none out.
5:always try and hang out with similar kind of ppl, try making contact with your fav artists through media,and try and show them your work,,,remember show them your work,,dont chat!!! no chatting, just send work,and if they like it, then maybe you can ask few questions on production , experience etc etc.
6:always be honest to yourself, no one else knows it, only person who really knows whats going on is 'YOU' so whenever in doubt,,look within.take help whenever possible from learned people,learn music theory,about being musically correct, being harmonic,goto music school and learn all production skills,and sharpen your musical edges
7:dont try and impress anyone,dont try to change the world,dont try anything, just focus on your work! always remember that you r always a student, and never a master! anyone with misconception of mastery is a fukin joke!
8: always smile, and laugh, and spread + vibration if possible,,you will get it back 3 times! sometimes i know chaos is nessassary,, but dont get too carried away by that nonsense,, always remember that the kind of life you lead, will reflect on your mum's face. so be smart and collect the +!
9:think big, think in terms of taking over the whole show,, dont think small,, think BIG,, if you play it right,put in the hard work,have the right connections, and with a little bit of effort and luck,, you can do whatever you want! you wish to have the largest selling record in history,why not, you want to make the largest record label, its easily possible,,etc think interplanatary! not ur local scene! if u think small , u will get small, if u think big, u will get BIG. for real!
10: music is your true love,, you know the lost lover that you have been seeking for your whole life,, identify with it,,make love to it,,it will give you fruits which taste divine.and your body is your child,, it is the divine vessel which you drive, so dont abuse your child! take care of it,,feed it,cleanse it,,,dont feed it exssessive amounts of drugs and poisons,etc,,you r killing your own child! so take care of your lover and your child!
a few things which just had to be put in a bottle and floated into the ocean....maybe it finds land someplace....
pls feel free to add, correct and any other advice which you guys think might help out.
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supergroover
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I really don't agree with no 4.
I don't need to know all styles at all to produce whatever I want to produce.
Even if I wanted I don't have enough time to do all styles. I just focus on one and that already costs me several days a week..
Apart from that there is a few good things we can learn from it. But they are definitely not set in stone.
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Best post in a while minus, thanks a lot, i agree. |
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Upavas
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On 2012-04-20 22:31:00, minus wrote:
few points for upcomming artists:
1: it will take 10 years! of hard work. some just might get it too easy, but those r pampered into it,and spoon fed, and not really self learners, for self learners,its a nice long experience, 10 years labour will bear the fruit,that you will taste and find sweet!
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It took me about nine to get to a level where I can say it sounds ok...
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2:mostly will be despised by your peers, for they do not understand what u is about, and they be scared of you , so u will be abndoned ! dont worry, help is always at hand, look around for similar ppl like urself, there will be a few who have 'peaked' the same time as u.use your 'magic' to connect,they have same!
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that's called adversity, never mind about that, but do take advice from people... it'll help...
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3: the initial contact to labels, will be rejected,, you will most probabally get no reply,,from the labels u send ur music to, dont worry they always call when u r 'ready' and 'ripe'.keep working with ur small time friends,till the big time calls, it will call itself, dont try to run after it.
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This is very true!
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4: you must have knowledge on production on all genre's within,, ,,all ,, for example in psy, u must know how to produce,,dark,forest,fullon,morning,twilight,progressive,breaks,chillout,,,,etc etc whatever,,,, u Must know it all,, if u dont , u r faking it. it is as simple as this,, u should be able to play anytime of day or night,, so get all of it.leave none out.
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Not necessarily, but it helps to know how to produce in more than one genre...
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5:always try and hang out with similar kind of ppl, try making contact with your fav artists through media,and try and show them your work,,,remember show them your work,,dont chat!!! no chatting, just send work,and if they like it, then maybe you can ask few questions on production , experience etc etc.
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This is synonymous with walking a tightrope, don't overdo it... and learn your skills first, at least up to some level...
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6:always be honest to yourself, no one else knows it, only person who really knows whats going on is 'YOU' so whenever in doubt,,look within.take help whenever possible from learned people,learn music theory,about being musically correct, being harmonic,goto music school and learn all production skills,and sharpen your musical edges
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Very good advice!
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7:dont try and impress anyone,dont try to change the world,dont try anything, just focus on your work! always remember that you r always a student, and never a master! anyone with misconception of mastery is a fukin joke!
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try to impress yourself... that's ok...
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8: always smile, and laugh, and spread + vibration if possible,,you will get it back 3 times! sometimes i know chaos is nessassary,, but dont get too carried away by that nonsense,, always remember that the kind of life you lead, will reflect on your mum's face. so be smart and collect the +!
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Always smiling sounds fake in my opinion, be honest, modest and true to yourself, also, don't forget to enjoy the whole thing!
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9:think big, think in terms of taking over the whole show,, dont think small,, think BIG,, if you play it right,put in the hard work,have the right connections, and with a little bit of effort and luck,, you can do whatever you want! you wish to have the largest selling record in history,why not, you want to make the largest record label, its easily possible,,etc think interplanatary! not ur local scene! if u think small , u will get small, if u think big, u will get BIG. for real!
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The sky is not even the limit, it is limitless 
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10: music is your true love,, you know the lost lover that you have been seeking for your whole life,, identify with it,,make love to it,,it will give you fruits which taste divine.and your body is your child,, it is the divine vessel which you drive, so dont abuse your child! take care of it,,feed it,cleanse it,,,dont feed it exssessive amounts of drugs and poisons,etc,,you r killing your own child! so take care of your lover and your child!
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I try not to identify with what I love, I try to appreciate it... wether it's my own creation or someone elses...
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a few things which just had to be put in a bottle and floated into the ocean....maybe it finds land someplace....
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thanx!
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Nectarios
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On 2012-04-20 22:31:00, minus wrote:
4: you must have knowledge on production on all genre's within,, ,,all ,, for example in psy, u must know how to produce,,dark,forest,fullon,morning,twilight,progressive,breaks,chillout,,,,etc etc whatever,,,, u Must know it all,, if u dont , u r faking it.
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If you mean that you must have done a tune in all styles of psy-trance, to avoid faking it, then I can only say that this is bad advice.
I can understand a lot of engineering work when I hear it, even when I quickly check some kind of style I do not like, but I'll be damned if I waste my time making a style of music I do not like, for the sake of doing it.
Peace out.
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Cardinals Cartel
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There few things you should have (Not more) :
Time and patience .. (+ Will to learn) , Passion to music , Alot of belief ..
But this all your other storys of being happy and cool to ppls and smile , This is nice to fill the page .
(Never heard of any artist who release music because he was happy and nice) .
And about labels and releases and so This is only about two things - If you good OR luck .
So be good no matter what .. This is an hard work but with alot of satisfaction and fun ..
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all these r humble opinions, and not to be taken litreally, and will not apply to everyone,infact these r just generalizations and mostly will differ from person to person, and pls feel free to amend and change them as u see fit..insted lots of other positive points should be added and spread to the ones seeking..so pls add relevant points if u feel like..
about sending work to your fav artists, i found most artists actually like to communicate with 'like minded' upcommin artists,, and anyone who says he is too busy to reply to someone who is actually investing energy to communicate with them, and say they r too busy to reply or some other excuse has forgotten his/her human values and got too commercial,,and sold out!the whole purpose is connecting with other ppl,,all of them moving to a singular rhythm/pulse whatever..,, but on the contrary some seriously might have less time, so be open minded and tolerant to the most extent. and sending them your work would only make any sense when u have reached a certain 'level' of production yourself,,and not the basic, amature,incomplete stuff,but rather a complete picture of your work!
about learning on production of all genre's one must learn it all! 10 years is good enought time to do it all, and one might get bored doing same sound over and over,year after year,hence the possibility of learning it all is a constructive waste of your precious time.
about being positive and happy and smiling, i will speak from personal experience here, whole of last year i was very serious, i mean so serious, that when playing for a crowd, i would remain expressionless, and was very intently observing their rections, and not showing any rection, emotions, nothing,, totally expressionless,,,, but if u just change that expressionless,emotionless,stonelike expression to that of a Smile, the whole response, environment changes! and if that smile is genuine, and reflects back empathy and projects un-hindered positiveness,, the response is 3 fold! and that is all.. i am not trying to say walk around with a fake smile on ur face, or give fake impressions,, but a genuine sense of warmth, then that will reflect back.it also encourages interaction,communication,and exchange of information which is essential for growth for the artist.
and i'm not trying to have a debate,or spark an argument,infact i might be wrong, i accept it, it u do not agree with any points or views, pls feel free to impose ur will,correct it, and mould it to as u see fit,so that it might helpout any artist out there.
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Posted : Apr 23, 2012 13:39
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and even though some of these points were personal experiences, most of them were collected through Research and data which i gathered.. for example: about artists being loners and anti-social holds true to all great artists in all genre's including classical music and contemplary art.. but on the contrary all the artists i met face to face or through media were very open and responsive,most of them! so all these points certainly do not apply to everyone.
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Posted : Apr 23, 2012 17:36
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thnx all for the words.. and i think what minus tryin to say about all genres is if u can build one type of musik, u could more or less build any other(of course with some exceptions)... meaning you translating your ideas into sound... right?
re-arrange what you thought was real |
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it's good to know basics of any genre of EDM, but faking is when you try to make the whole track without any real emotions and vision, it's o.k to now how to synthesize some sounds and some other tricks on the way,but for whole track you must be into that style or you are just trying to fake everything....really give your shoot,make some style your are not liking that much, that track will be disaster because you are faking it to the bone  |
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Posted : Apr 23, 2012 21:12
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jeebomba- yes brow, in a sense thats what i mean, also i mean in terms of you should atleast know how its done,,i mean all styles will give the artist new tools,new sounds to play with,will give him new inspirations,a large soundbank of sounds to dig into,so he can get inspired and bring out new ideas,and builds his/her overall confidence,maybe make small samples tries,,just know the basics as Xsze says,, but a little bit more effort and u can litreally nail any style out there,dont try faking it, you try and do your best.
but main point being,, you dont have to know all the styles/genre's.. atleast do the one's you like and want to experiment with,, basically you should have a big collection of sound,, and not just get stuck on 1 particular style or genre,, but try learning as much as possible,,exploring different styles of sound or genre's also helps artist develop fresh/new ideas which he can then implement in his favorite style/genre of sound!(<- this being the main point of me saying all this,to implement new/fresh idea's to his fav style) and not confine his creative energy to a limited style/genre,, this will somehow keep the music making process more interesting for the artist,and also give him/her an overall sort of knowledge,which i think helps!
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+1 on everything above |
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1. it may not take 10 years for some, but for the most i am certainly sure it will take forever, just be sure that before pretending to make trance music, beware your making music, there is a concept today of the wanabe DJ that wants so badly making trance with the purpose of perform in partys and be popular, that we end up with the situation when many forgot its music, its like the formula overpass the musical sense of trance and just by methodical repetition some end up making noise without know the meaning of making music... (JUST MAKE SURE YOUR AWARE OF THIS, before thinking in be an artist)
2. if your good, you will not be dispised but respected, but there is something issues lying over this subject, some use music in order to be respected and be popular, its like a social need for the human being, become respected and popular in his friends circle... só again, when pretending to be an artist make sure you do it for the art expression, and because of this, you will never give a fuck about what your friends think, if they like it, if they dont like it, or even if some envy you... you just dont care ,if your message is solid and have quality, you dont have to care either, self-confidence makes the artist, its what makes you not being afraid of express your self and score a point, where you want to make public your feelings, your way of thinking, and not everyone can do this, especialy if your art goes against comon way of thinking, being original its not usualy easy, being the first doing something means that you your effort may not be understanded and unrecognized by the most
3. Dont Contact labels, its useless today, why contact labels when music dont sell? and even if it sells, they dont give you the money, this may happen either because the money they make is so few that even dont cover release expenses or even they are morrons and dont give you the money because they are ocupied earning more and more artists to do the same thing than you...
i REPEATE: dont sent stuff to labels (thats a mistake), be inteligente, create your fan base otherway, and
dont worrie, good labels that usualy pay artists will them self contact you if your really good... and its even better they contact you because when that happens you have margin to negociate better your terms!
1st: produce material, make music, expose music in social networks, like Soundcloud, facebook
if your good, you will earn fans easly, people is kind usualy with unknown artists that sound good
usualy they become amazing fans when they discover someone who is very unknown and they will almost
feel proud of saying "this guy is amazing and nobody knows him, someday he will be famous and i will say i was one of the first being fan of him"
this may sound a bit accord but belive me.. its truth, one of my first international gigs, was given by one of my first fans... he enjoyed my music so much that he didnt give up before arrange a gig with me on his country (and i did this before even release material on CD or being known...)
Other important RULE:
DONT BE LAME, dont be foking lame, excessive self-promotion dont make you a better artist, just make you a moron... everytime i go to facebook this days its almost ridiculous the amont of shity artists self-promoting them selfs, trying to earn likes, asking for gigs, all this process is miserable and wrong.. if you want to be a good artist (for god sake... dont do it) you can earn atention and be respected otherways
you dont need to use the "look at, look at me message"... you can just sit on the corner, play your art and earn the atention of everyone in the street, but AGAIN, this goes with the concept of being artist, because ARTIST its not something you can be because you want it, some ARE some.. dont... unfortunaly many people today wants to be artist for the same reasons i allready specified, but if your really an artist, dont worrie you will earn atention easly, expend some money on soundcloud and share your content with all the groups of your interest... soon if your good you will earn alot of fans belive me
4. its not important production knoledge, thats another mistake, if you check infected mushroom, they become famous for their first albuns in psytrance world, but today they have shame of their production quality back that time, not that they production sucked (i dont think so...) but for their standarts it was bad, but again... MUSIC is MUSIC, if your message is amazing, if your music is good and complex in terms of art doesnt matter how good or bad your production is, it will allways came to atention...
there is not also required to learn all subgenres, thats the most idiot thing i ever eard in many years...
an Artist is a product of his self-expression, an artist should have his own identity and his own image, so... please stay away of musical genres, stay away of stereotipes, you dont want to be a stereotype, you want to be YOU, you want to be your own music, if you like diferent things, try to use a catch from each things you enjoy and make something very original, its like this usualy new styles born... its like this most of artists become famous, because they are original, they are diferent and because of that people will give them more atention that give to the most
5. Hang out with who ever you want, that subject doesnt have nothing to do with art or music... your artistic identity its not the same
as your personal one, my artistic identity tells me i hate some kind of music and i dont like many subgenres in psytrance, but that doesnt mean
some of my friends cant be producers of others styles that i dont like... forget about music when you hang out with others, thats something you should not mix
today internet is rich in resources, you can learn everything about everything in one click, so there is no big motive to piss off someone by being a pain in the ass asking for production tips, you can ask things about material, and plugins, but dont be idiot asking about production tips, if they are your friends
and they are more experienced than you in production, they will them selfs give you opinions and tips without you asking (belive me...)
6. Be honest with your self (nothing to arg about this... but this subject is much about what i mentioned allready)
7. dont try to impress or cry to everyone (true... no one can change the world, an artists should only follow is work and nothing more than that )
8. be your self its like being honest, dont fake it... dont be an idiot smilling to everyone just to make think your nice guy with the purpose of
getting someting, gigs or releases, thats selfish, thats lame and mostly thats not you... be you naturaly, either people like you or not, being you
its natural, you will feel better being you, than someone who is allways lying to your self and others
9. dont think in music as an industry, it is an industry, but a colapsing one... unless the world changes too much in the next years, music will end up as
entertainment art that no one will pay for having it, so you need to be aware of this if you think you will make money and living from it... thinking big or small its not related with results, to be honest i see alot of people being lame like hell, self promoting their work like hell (even if it sucks) because
they think big too much, because they want so badly something that they even forget about making decent music, its like the industrial methods overpass the art ones... and this kind of people are not artists, their profile goes more into PR or managers because they see music as industry and not an art, and they serious belive that the sucess is 80% based on promotion work (but they are mistaken...)
10. the music is your true love, i couldnt agree more than this, making music means you will need time, effort and you will not do things other people do...
most of people think that the comon DJ producer is the one who can get many girlfriends and goes everynight having fun in discos and stuff like that, but they are wrong... most of the DJ producers tend to be single, specialy if they expend way too much time aproaching their work, meaning they will lock themselfs in studio and stay there most of time in their lifes making music... wich is their true love...
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read, watch and ear diferent things, better your knoledge... better become your ideas, better your culture stonger become your message... |
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