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assaf_zo
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 26, 2006 09:20
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Hi,
well my new subject i want to talk to u guys
can u feel music?
lots of knowledge i had is lately come toghter since i started to feel music and turn my feelings into my work into my keyboard and sequencer
my guess for all of u guys who try to make good vibes... try to feel them and put it on "paper".. if u dont... dont start any track
tracks with no thinking before it mustly will be doomed...
what do u think...
and how do u turn ur ideas into real song?
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Tomos
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Posted : Sep 26, 2006 12:22
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I haven't had an idea since I started, I write all my stuff as I go, bar by bar, then go back and add/remove/improve.
If I 'feel it' (with my eyes shut) then it stays.. if not, I bin it, or if I haven't learnt enough to make it better - compromise. Yes, none of us should compromise - but you have to sometimes, otherwise I'd still be working on my first ever track for 5 years until it was perfect. |
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assaf_zo
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 26, 2006 12:25
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its only a question of how hard u work to get to that point... then ull visualize music and others work diffrently as well
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Mentally ill{oshri}
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Posted : Sep 26, 2006 14:12
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when im in good mood i do the track more happy...with melodys and all this ...
when i dont in mood i do bad music...more bass and scari sounds...
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index
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Posted : Sep 29, 2006 07:54
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u r r8 man.Musicians usually are trapped into this problem.The brain analyzes the freaquences and there is no space remaining for feelings.
I also start to believe that for the same reasons that many musicians start becoming assholes cause of this...
Really nice subject to talk about 
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 29, 2006 10:16
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That's extremely complicated.
Because in the end, everything causes a feeling. There is a feeling for everything.
So take music which is just kick and beats and noises like machine guns and explosions like war. It will certainly be a pain in my heart to hear it. so I feel the music. Don't I?
But on the other hand I can listen to music like "the shen" of infected mushroom, and it will touch me so deep. I certainly feel that music too.
What is the difference?
I tell you what I believe, and I tell you that most people don't agree, but I FEEL there IS a difference:
The first music expresses feelings indirectly, it primary CAUSES feelings in the listener, and the listener only get an indirect and unsure idea of the feelings of the musican.
The second music EXPRESSES feelings. And it is possible (for some) to directly feel what the musicians feel.
I prefer the second, and that what I try to do with my music.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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br0d
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Posted : Sep 29, 2006 12:44
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"Standards" for mix quality in trance and other forms of electronic music are getting so ridiculous that I think it causes tons and tons of neurosis in people, they spend too much time noodling and engineering, and not enough writing. I myself have spent hours and hours and hours and hours just sitting there noodling with beats and sounds, and that's perfectly FINE--if you are doing it for the entertainment value. Noodling/tweaking is a great and fun hobby. But it's not songwriting, and for songwriting to take place you have to give priority to the interplay between the feelings and the song structure, not the spontaneous mix elements.
Ever tried this? Take a mic, plug it into your daw. Pick a tempo, maybe 135 or something, now come up with a 4-8 bar melody, and record it with your voice. Lay another track where you harmonize with it in some way, whatever amuses you, using ONLY your voice and a mic. Then do the same with the beat, bassline, etc. The goal is a full 8 bar acapella snippet. Now pair each one of those with a MIDI track, and pick some suitable sounds for them. This takes probably twice as long, and it may suck, but the interesting thing here is that you only did the INSTRUMENTATION with the DAW, the rest of it came straight out of your head. Normally you might try to do the improvisation through the daw, and unless you play piano better than you sing, you're seriously limiting yourself. I don't do this all the time, but it's fun, and it gets the gear out of the way of your creativity. |
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psylevation
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Posted : Sep 30, 2006 15:50
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On 2006-09-26 09:20, assaf_zo wrote:
my guess for all of u guys who try to make good vibes... try to feel them and put it on "paper".. if u dont... dont start any track
tracks with no thinking before it mustly will be doomed...
what do u think...
and how do u turn ur ideas into real song?
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what do you mean put them on paper? Like write words about what you want to do with the song? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 30, 2006 16:08
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like making a song map?
well i think you should work like you feel...
"tracks with no thinking before it mustly will be doomed"
this is not true in my opinion... sometimes you get the "Divine hand" on your head and music just comes to you without alot of thinking... maybe the thoughts is of highfrequency so you dont reflect, you only act...
its like when i eat Valium and smoke a joint... i just Flow!! hahaha the divine hand of drugs!
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Oct 1, 2006 09:32
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thats the topic freeflow i have to feel music to make it... now its an option ofcourse but if u make the arrangements before startin and know what u felt and how u going to serve it on a plate....
this way u can make not 1 but few tracks with the same sound that could in the finish fit to one album
yes if u flow... u have a great "12 ... then what ?!?!
u start to flow again? whats the connection between the tracks? none....
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Oct 1, 2006 13:33
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On 2006-09-26 09:20, assaf_zo wrote:
try to feel them and put it on "paper".. if u dont... dont start any track
tracks with no thinking before it mustly will be doomed...
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I'd disagree with this as a "rule". I found that the quality of my tracks improved dramatically when I stopped trying to make them fit a plan and instead just started writing with with no plan but instead just letting everything flow naturally.
But different strokes for different folks and just because one approach worked before doesn't mean it will work again. Do what feels right at the moment.
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psylevation
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Posted : Oct 2, 2006 23:15
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I've been thinking about this alot lately. I've tried the free flowing thing pretty much the whole time I've been making music. Sometimes something really good comes out of it. Though it's only sometimes, otherwise I just sit there tweaking and trying to make things fit. Usually the only time it ends up working out and I finish a track is when all that playing around finally strikes an idea about where I want the track to go.
Then when I have that idea of what I want to do with the track It comes quick and decisive. I know what I'm doing for the rest of that track. I actually start to get confidence about my music writing. I'm happy with the final result, because it lives up to my own standards for myself.
So even without thinking about it, I think I've decided that thinking about it "is" a better idea for me. If I know what I want to do, I'm good at doing it. If I don't then I'm always unsure about what I'm making and I get stuck in loop land trying to make parts. I end up with too many parts, my computer bogged down and sick of the track as is.
There for, I'm going to try your idea, of thinking about it first, writing it down, then making the song. I'll let you know how it goes. |
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 00:12
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my method is usually to approach each song with a specific idea or feel in mind, usually inspired by another artist, then morph around that idea into my own concept, and give the song some specific elements and some motif that defines my own style..
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 01:39
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qane, good luck man u sound like a pro to me...
the real deal is in work
but what i really wonder does connection worth more then good quality music ? this is my new debate
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Psyjinx
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Posted : Oct 3, 2006 12:22
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I think with psy trance I try to capture something from a party I have been too, whether a feeling or an experience, and usually it's something to do with tripping...ahem. Of course you are trying to express your own emotions or feelings, but you are also trying to generate feelings and emotions in the listener, and truly great music will express feelings that many people have in common, and this is why great music brings people together...if that makes any sense? |
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