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Faulty Indian Organisers
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djsid
Aghori Tantrik
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 09:48
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I would like to start a thread about organisers who have failed to pay the artists in the Indian Scene
It is best to give their names out in the forum here so other artists and djs do not fall for such traps again. We have to become a balanced music community where ripping artists off is not the solution to handling a failed event.
Indian artists in general have become pretty professional with their music production now and a lot of hard work, time and money goes into the set that is played on stage. This effort can not be overlooked by anyone when they decide that its ok not to pay the artists if their event has failed. This is totally unprofessional attitude and such people should not be allowed to make any events in the future or atleast they shouldn't recieve support from our community.
Take a loan, sell your car, but you have to respect your commitments. If you as an organiser think you can get away and run away you are wrong. Our network will follow you and make sure you can never make an event in the future. You simply can not get away by fooling people and vanishing only to come back with another jacked up event and fresh people to fool with.
My recent experience at Kerala with Namaha Recs event is one such story. I can clearly see the trickster nexus vibes in the scene. Udhav has a record label and reputation to take care of. So he ties up with some local kids - Anand (Chennai) and Jelani (Chennai) and puts the party in their name. So even if chooses to rip off respected ppl in the scene, he can always point at the kids n run, the kids don't have anything to loose anyways and another event goes by where the artists are not paid and lots of time and money has been wasted just for a few peoples stupidity. If you are stupid in your business, be men and accept your faults. Promise us to pay back in a week or 2, we can understand you make a loss. But running away and not taking calls, this surely means the death of your scene.
And then what to say about dark sun. mithun and altaf ..big promises, big festival bg setup..in the end it all failed. the reason in my view is again the same, if you don't respect artists and the music, you will yourself never get respect from the crowd. forget the crowd you are not needed in the scene if all you can do is make people broke and take their trips in a foreign country.
So for starts these are the 2 groups i'm sharing my experience about. feel free to share your bad experience with organisers and we all make sure we don't play for them. Lets root the bad apples out ppl and keep this a healthy full power scene.
peec
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 16:28
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Nice initiative 
Keep the scene, clean.
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 16:46
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Zman
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 18:28
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Good thread.
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aXis
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 19:14
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ok . point noted .
now heres wat i think - India does not hav a mainstream scene . U do not get paid like u do get paid in europe. Do not wish to get paid, or learn the word wishful thinking.
Another point to ponder upon - If u dont trust the org ( as in he is not ur friend , pal , buddy,chums) take money in ADVANCE . Is it so hard ?
Further more, Stop crying n whining , Maybe makes it better ?
I have not been paid (excluding airfare,stay,nthe woderfulwomen) as yet . I dont mind , fr sure im not half as important or big as others here , but, point is whn i dont expect knowing there will be some 100 ppl at the scene , i dont get disapointed in the end . 
But atleast have the decency , of being the bigger man n just letting GO .
and Moreover , who really is organising in india except some frm bbay ?? Lol. backyard parties wit 100 ppl will always remain an unpro scene , so no $$$ there  maybe time to find a job ? |
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 01:13
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cash up front is better fooo shuuuu
but then u can't dictate all da terms , rite?
i mean , ticket/acc was arranged..so u took a chance..went..got fukd by ppl.
not sure if this is rite place 2 talk ..(atleast openly)
cuz then u'd have 2 start another thread. - responsible orgz -and ask others 2 put up their balance sheet on isra on how badly they got fukddd (most recent example -ocelot in bengaluru)
u dun hear orgz writing over here about hteir probz..so maybe settle it personally?
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Namaha Recs
Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 01:56
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Sid, Adi and headyatail 2000 : All of you have valid points, there is definiately an abundance of parties/gatherings where things go really wrong, artists dont show up, organizers do not pay as promised, shows get cancelled and so forth. Sadly this has been happening too much in our country and we as music lovers/artists/labels and orgz need to do something about it, whether it is to get our act together and follow through on one's commitments, it has to be done.
From alot of the parties which have such problems, the finanical aspect is always the worst. [in most cases atleast]. Artists not getting paid and so forth. As Adi mentioned, a tentative solution is to make prior payment arrangements, and both parties need to make it a point to stay committed to these arrangements : the artist and the organizer, both..and this is where more problems arise..
Sid, as a part of the Namaha family let me first say we have worked with you alot in the past and have always delivered our finanical commitments. I have not been a part of the parties where individuals from the Namaha family have helped organize , but as far as the Kerala gig goes : you dont know the exact deal between Udhav, Anand and Jelani. So please do not unnecessarily take names, or make judgements based on your assumptions on what happened. We could easily settle this, contact me directly if you need further clarifications. Also, FYI, Namaha did not make any $ from the kerala gig, so a little flexibility and understanding from your behalf would go a long way no? I apologize that you have had bad experiences in the past; we all have had them. In any case, please contact me and we can discuss further.
Peace
Abhi
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blottereater
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 02:11
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you win some and you loose some....
you can t have the cake all the way brother.... esp in there troubled times...
***Instead of money*** try playing for PLUR sometimes... it will carry you a long way in the scene***
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*lovenlight*
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 02:57
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aiee aiee i see this thread becoming an entertaining one and the popcorn to be coming out.. my diet..oh no. 
dj's will bitch, orgz's will clarify and maybe bitch.....lots of drama!
on a more serious note:
why cant all this be sorted out through pm's or privately? why do we need to wash our laundry in dirty public?
with time this thread is going to become another blaming and name calling one- it is the way of the desis
YES we can talk about suggestions on how the organizers in India can be more efficient/professional when it comes to monkey oppps MONEY business.
Adi has some valid points.
and yah like headyatail pointed out that there are always two sides to a story.
tali ek haath sein nahii bajti hain na abhi.
money is a sensitive topic so should be threaded on very carefully.
im just here for the music & to save my diet regime..so sorry cant make any suggestions.
I leave it up to the smarter ones to do that
Good luck.
"END THE OCCUPATION!"
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mrmojorising
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 03:10
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well why is aghori so obsessed wid money in the scene???
have u forgotten this scene is like doin anythin in de name of P.L.U.R.
and now u start talkin bout gettin ripped off and ur bad xperiences??? wtf man..... i don think ur in the culture ......ur jus in de scene whos is jus tryin to make it in de culture and me don think so u gonna make it big in this scene if u jus keep talkin bout ur" bad xperiences "and ur "money matters...."coz both of it doesent matter in this scene......and if u still mentaly weak too take all this shit then move on babe.......sum electro funk in de club ???? will dat make u happy??? or sum vengaboys in strip club.......??
and u think ur a big big artist and all dat......
to me UR NOT EVEN THERE!!!!!
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i think am dumb ....... or maybe jus happy...... |
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*lovenlight*
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 03:13
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and it has begun.............
let the popcorn flow ...
predictable!
sorry atkins!
"END THE OCCUPATION!"
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'N'euroToxic~>
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 04:02
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Round one .. FIGHT !! 
Music is more than mathematics.
And I am much more than a program with musical subroutines! |
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 04:07
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On 2007-12-18 01:56, Namaha Recs wrote:
but as far as the Kerala gig goes : you dont know the exact deal between Udhav, Anand and Jelani. So please do not unnecessarily take names, or make judgements based on your assumptions on what happened. We could easily settle this, contact me directly if you need further clarifications. Also, FYI, Namaha did not make any $ from the kerala gig, so a little flexibility and understanding from your behalf would go a long way no? I apologize that you have had bad experiences in the past; we all have had them. In any case, please contact me and we can discuss further.
Peace
Abhi
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When i PM`d you asking the party details, you replied saying that you are not the organiser or a part of it?  What was that for? I got the invitee from Munk|K, 2 days before the gig.
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Namaha Recs
Namaha Recs
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 04:22
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Off The Board : Phiber Optix, Yup, there are 2/3 of us who check this particular user PM inbox. MunkE was the one representing Namaha in this. Hence why I directed you to him, so you could get the info straight from the org [and not from me cuz i dint wanna give you the inaccurate info]
My bad, in the post above I should have said 'Also FYI, the individuals from Namaha who were a part of this did not make any $'
Sorry 'bout the confusion
bOM!
Abhi
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aXis
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 06:47
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lock now . |
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