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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 01:51
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To my ears I have in very many instances found linear phase pre-ring to be clearly audible.
I'd be lying to do anything other than not relate this in a thread where I've decided to voice my opinion, especially when a weight of evidence supports my opinion.
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daark
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 01:52
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On 2011-03-09 00:26, Speakafreaka wrote:
That is what Linear Phase EQ will do for your mix.
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That is not true something is wrong with the theory. I think they had some kind of bad phase eq 
mine doesn't show no ringing at all. Don't know why. 
Is there a reason for my analyzers to be wrong?
Speakerfreaker check for yourself.
Though they do move in time, but not the way the link showed.
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 01:56
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The amount of prering is calculatable.
Every single Linear phase EQ is time corrected and if you check in the plug in information you will see that it introduces latency which is offset with plugin delay compensation. It is not possible to build a linear phase EQ without inducing pre-ring, this is why they ALL exhibit latency.
The audio is shifted back in time so that the audio remains in time, but the prering is also shifted back in time, and clearly visible when you open the audio editor and look at the waveform of the exported audio.
In a nutshell - yes ... this really is true, and no ... I'm not winding you up. I can assure you, I already have checked for myself. I suggest you do the same.
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daark
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 01:59
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:01
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On 2011-03-09 01:51, Speakafreaka wrote:
To my ears I have in very many instances found linear phase pre-ring to be clearly audible.
I'd be lying to do anything other than not relate this in a thread where I've decided to voice my opinion, especially when a weight of evidence supports my opinion.
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sorry if i was arrogant , it can come from the eq you used , or you are sensitive to pre ringing maybe, personaly i rarely use lp eq but sometimes it can just work better than phase eq to me .
btw you design filter but it mean nothing vs some engeneiirs who make lot of dollars with their hears , and it seems you dont know much by the way you explain things. for you phase eq are superior for everyhting ,it s simply not true. |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:12
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On 2011-03-09 01:59, daark wrote:
yes i know about the latency
but i have nothing like that on the waveform.
wave has no ringing peak at all.
maybe the algo solved it ?
(i did it the same way on the 2k)
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What EQ are you using? I've just done this at 100hz using Pro-Q and EQ8 because they both allow mode switching, and pre-ring is clearly visible on the waveform on both. It is far worse on the Pro-Q ... but the EQ8 is also exhibiting things that just should not be there at all.
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daark
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:17
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:19
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btw you design filter but it mean nothing , and it seems you dont know much by the way you explain things. for you phase eq are superior for everyhting ,it s simply not true.
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So, despite the fact I know how to design filters, and am pretty darn good at using them IMO, I don't know much about filters.
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Maybe I should just give up now. The PoM is not for turning!
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:20
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dude it s not what i mean, but everyone can design filter in case you dont know? so what is the fuss about all this , you think you are above eveyrone cause you design filters? then designa filter that is amzing maybe you will impress me .
if i was not lazy to do it i would post 2 sound example where linear phase sound better than phase eq cause it happen, maybe forget about tehcnical stuff and just listen.
btw waves is one of the worst lp eq , a eq like algorithmix red can sound great |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:22
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On 2011-03-09 02:17, daark wrote:
Waves
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Waves Broadband displays prering as severely as the ProQ, I'm afraid at 100hz.
I have Wavelab snaps to prove it, if you really need it - but you have the plug, why not check for yourself. It shows up as a DC like low level noise in wavelab prior to the kick transient. Its clearly there.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:29
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On 2011-03-09 02:20, PoM wrote:
dude it s not what i mean, but everyone can design filter in case you dont know? so what is the fuss about all this , you think you are above eveyrone cause you design filters? then designa filter that is amzing maybe you will impress me
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No. I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to filter design, and how filters work.
If anyone can design a filter, it is obviously pretty easy ... so off you go. Go and design a linear phase filter with no pre-ring. Should be easy. Lots of people would get a lot of use from it. You'd really be doing the scene a favour.
No? Not possible? Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw. I'd have never of guessed that. Anyone would think I hadn't invested years of my life studying how to build digital filters.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:33
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you re really a asshole |
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:40
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daark
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:41
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Now at 100hz is not as steep filter. Anyway i obviously hear the difference in the sound but the analyzer doesn't show anything before the transient and there is tail is very small obviously.
You use Wavelab's scope ?
I use exoscope and i exported and there is nothing at all ... Hmm
I even sweeped through the spectrum to see if it is hiding somewhere
... nope no peak before the punch or anything more than silence and not on the spectrum too.
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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daark
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Posted : Mar 9, 2011 02:48
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