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Domi
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 01:05
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Deranger
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 06:54
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look for a clean sample of the kick so you can see the exact shape of it , then open sound forge and try to shape it this way with paragrapic eq..good results for sure.
another way is to use bazzism,tweak the hell out of it with the Fstart and Vsweep to get that punchy spot and then edit the rest in sound forge.. |
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 15:52
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You have to listen to your kick WITH the bassline in order to get it right! A 'fat' solo kick can sounds dull with your bassline... |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 23:37
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 00:06
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I use both...
EQ then comp then EQ.
the EQ either side of the comp is important.
EQ shifts towards level in the spectrograph work with compression.
EQ shifts away from level in the spectrograph fight it.
Therefore 'smoothing' EQ goes before the comp, cutting and notching out trouble freqs goes after.
This applies to all audio, not just kicks. Of course, there are always exceptions... where you want the EQ and the comp to fight - you can get really nice tight sounds that way. Bear in mind what you are effectively doing though is just changing the slope steepness of the filter...
But its well worth remembering this little rule, so you fully understand what you are doing when you combine these two effects.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 00:46
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 00:49
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Psytracked
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 01:11
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yes, sorry, I'm tired, exams today.
Shifting a certain freq with the EQ nearer to the peak volume freq whatever that may be... could be that the shift makes another freq have the most volume - thats what is first getting picked up by the comp at the threshold.
One of those freqs will be the loudest, and that is what determines peak volume. If you shift towards that then the it works with the compressor.
Also very worth thinking about dynamic range here... and the average loudness of the signal, although that isn't absolutely related to this phenomenon... but in the same vein, and very important.
Its far more obvious the other way around though. Cuts working against. I'm sure we've all been in the position of HPing a sound, compressing it hard, only to have the bass come back. This is the tech reason why.
If you consider what the opposite function of this is, then you should understand the working with the compressor.
Its so much easier to visualise this then explain. Sorry thats a really shitty explanation. Hope you get something from it. .
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 02:00
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no worries and thanks for your time. hope exams went well.
When you compress kick you lose bottom end.....well when you let some of the transient through with the attack knob this seems to happen. whats best way to keep some of the bottom? EQ before or after? say around 60-80hz.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 02:12
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As the transient is being produced by the compressor I'd definitely EQ afterwards.
However, maybe compress less so that the upper click is less pronounced and the bass is more balanced without resorting to EQ. Then notch out the mids that are the probably the problem (ie move away from peak after comp) is probably what I'd be looking at.
What kind of ratio are you using?
Obviously, Compressors (especially with clicky attacks) impart there own freqs into the sound.
Use the first EQ to control the amount of work the compressor is doing as much as possible, tbe compressor to shape it in a way you cannot through envelope controls and the last EQ to sit it in the mix.
I would also EQ lower, but that is subjective, and depends on where the bassline is, and the EQ being used. More like the 50hz region typically though. .
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 11:26
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the ratios vary....last track was about 5:1 but I used the bass expander so kept the bottom end.
What about analogue desks where the insert point will be post trim but pre EQ strip?
also what about HP filter very low, what frequency and slope you recommend for that?
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 14:38
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I'm not sure about analogue stuff - not my area of expertise at all - I work totally in the box.
My HP settings vary depending on the bassline fundamental - it will be just above that by a few Hz with as steep a slope as possible, often created through stacking several less steep filiters together, or better yet using a linear phase one (or again several)
I do the same with the bass a few below fundamental.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 15:32
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 16:52
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hp is not as clean as just cutting a few db , you ll get some phase issu and with lp eq you ll get bad articats specially in the low ,but in the end if it sound good... |
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