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mcviga
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Posted : Oct 21, 2007 23:21
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Alex - Aural Invasion
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 00:04
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On 2007-10-12 09:25, shamantrixx wrote:
Use some notch filters with keytrack an octave above the fundamental note and maybe another notch 3 octaves above the root key. It makes a phaser-like sound but when you change the key you change eq points as well and the bass line remains clean and sharp.
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That's really interesting. What EQ(s) has keytrack? i never noticed that on any of the ones i use.
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 01:48
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On 2007-10-12 09:04, PoM wrote:
you can have more attack (transient) with a compressor cause it make the sustain sound thin (but it can sound nice and more thight)but plugins compressor are not the way to go to get fat sound imo, you have to look for plugs that fake or add more dynamic like a distortion that produce harmonics
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Compression is usually said to reduce dynamics, but it depends on the settings.
Like you say it can bring out transients as well and in fact in some cases increase the dynamic range of a sound.
That happens when you have a slow attack time. The actual compression is still a process that reduces the dynamic range, but if it doesn't kick in quickly it can be that you get an unprocessed peak and then when the compressor starts working the sustain part of the sound is reduced so you get a quite thin body of the sound.
But with a faster attack you can instead make the sustain louder if that's what the sound needs.
Distortion is in essence one type of compressor, or more precisely a kind of brick-wall limiter.
What it does is it chops off the top of the waveform and hence reduces the dynamic range. Since the waveform shape also change it will introduce harmonics...basically if you distort a sine wave really hard you will get a square wave.
Same thing will happen with many limiters if you push them hard, but usually compressors and limiters is designed to be a bit more gentle on the waveform.
I agree with the point in general though....I rarely use compression on my basses since I'm very happy with the response in the envelopes on Scope Flexor. If a sound is really fat to start with pure compression can only make it thinner. But it can be nice to make the sound warmer by adding harmonics.
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Glitch_CapeTown
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At my college we learned a technique to use compressors, so that u can get the most out of it....
let me just find they sheet i wrote it one brb
*edit* k i can't find the sheet, but i will explain from my head...
first set attack onto maximum
and release onto minimum
then set threshold all the way to the bottom..
sumthing like -96 or 100db
then set ratio to maximum... sumthing like 50:1
Make up gain at about 10-15db so u can hear what u are doing nicely....
then slowly reduce the attack time until u get the desired transient..
bearing in mind during this part u are looking for the click.....
then rise release until u get the desired time...
then take down make up gain, and set threshold to a more reasonable setting, and viola.....
this method takes some practice, but i have found that it changes the wat i listen to the compressor when i am using it...
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 12:56
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thanks Spindrift for the explanation,with distortion i was thinking to plugs that add harmonics like inflator and maybe rbass,it doesn t sound like a "distortion" plugins that flaten the peaks,they are more "harmonic enhancer" maybe. |
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AcidForAll
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 13:01
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Badbussmojo is nice for a bit of dist.  |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 25, 2007 10:26
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On 2007-10-22 00:04, Alex - Aural Invasion wrote:
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On 2007-10-12 09:25, shamantrixx wrote:
Use some notch filters with keytrack an octave above the fundamental note and maybe another notch 3 octaves above the root key. It makes a phaser-like sound but when you change the key you change eq points as well and the bass line remains clean and sharp.
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That's really interesting. What EQ(s) has keytrack? i never noticed that on any of the ones i use.
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Notch filter with keytrack is something that almost any filter will have. QuadFrohmage has 4 such filters but it has a bit "sharp" sound.
Frantic filter has 2 filters and a lot wider choice of filter methods but you have to position filters by your ear and spectrum analyzer. IMO this filter sounds damn good and I usually end up using it on the bass as well as on lead sounds.
Quad can be positioned by note or by Hz. Manual provides info on how to get accurate keytrack.
Karma FX can also be used for this and it is very simple to set it working. Sound is quite good and you can have as many filters as you like.
hope this helps!
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Upavas
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PoM
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getting a fat bassline from the source is the easier way to get a fat bassline in the end ,the most important thing to me ,you need a synth with clean oscillator ,not full of bad frequencies(aliasing?) or you ll have a hard time equing it and in the end it may sound thin and not very natural. |
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Glitch_CapeTown
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One tip :
Try... Experiment.. Listen... only way to find new ways to create massive and phat bass is to try... It takes time, but you will end up creting something new, and womething that is you... 
Listen.....
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